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View Poll Results: Do you feel not using public funds is worth the Flames moving?
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04-27-2017, 10:42 PM
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Retired
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Back in Guelph
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Originally Posted by pylon
I would almost bet, the second or third most googled terms after the word Calgary is the word Flames.
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I checked! It's third!
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04-28-2017, 09:39 AM
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#2122
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by pylon
To answer the poll question, absolutely the Flames should move if the City doesn't chip in. ...
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I feel like you haven't read any of this thread.
MOD edit: Did you really need to quote his entire post?
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04-29-2017, 01:33 PM
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#2124
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
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Originally Posted by CedarMeter
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Good lord. What a crock of ####.
Funny that they trot out the real estate "journalist" to shill for the Flames and against all those "trendy elitists" buying condos for 300 grand.
And those goddamn bike lanes!
And the "thousands of people working at the Saddledome."
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04-29-2017, 01:37 PM
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#2125
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by CedarMeter
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No mention of the peace bridge in there? I mean he hit everything else. Libraries, Lies about bike lanes costing millions (they can under 1.3 which is million not plural).
Nenshi also hasn't said he doesn't see public good in an arena. He says the flames need to show the public good. That is a fundamental difference.
You can make an excellent case that the Flames provide x benefit to the community therefore it's worth the city paying x amount. However, That article is a big bag of populist crap and falsehoods.
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04-29-2017, 02:36 PM
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#2126
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by The Moron in the Opinion Piece
It’s about the Calgary Flames and a business decision they may be forced to make: Leave town to stay in business.
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Bahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I mean we've seen some desperate arguments before, but this might be my favorite.
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04-29-2017, 02:37 PM
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^^ love that quote
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04-29-2017, 03:35 PM
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#2128
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Originally Posted by CedarMeter
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It never ceases to amaze me the amount of "conservatives" that support crap like this.
I'm a conservative, through and through, which means government shouldn't spend money on crap like this.
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04-29-2017, 03:35 PM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: North of the River, South of the Bluff
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I am so ashamed I click on that link. What a froth piece...from a new homes reporter of all places. Looks like Sun is all hands on board to tip the Nenshi ship this year. Hey Myke put that killer piece on the new Mohogany development on hold, we got a bigger fish to fry!
The funny part is the whole argument that it is a business decision is what the city is doing as well. The Vic Park option is supported by our mayor, because it makes more sense for all involved. He isn't anti new arena, he is anti blank check to a group that has so far shown incapable of producing the level of detail needed for the project.
Still beating that drum however, look forward to the next 6 months of how Nenshi spends way too much and taxes too much, but won't freely give the Flames a billion dollars.
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04-29-2017, 04:25 PM
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#2130
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by OldDutch
I am so ashamed I click on that link.
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I don't know what makes me sadder, that someone penned that seriously or knowing people are reading and believing it.
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04-29-2017, 04:41 PM
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#2131
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Franchise Player
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New Arena - Plan B - Victoria Park
The latest valuation I could find is from Forbes last year. While the Flames are only #16 their valuation is $410M of which only 41M is attributed to the brand. Go ahead and move Ken, another team will take your place within a year or two
https://www.forbes.com/teams/calgary-flames/
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04-29-2017, 04:56 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Quote:
Originally Posted by edslunch
The latest valuation I could find is from Forbes last year. While the Flames are only #16 their valuation is $410M of which only 41M is attributed to the brand. Go ahead and move Ken, another team will take your place within a year or two
https://www.forbes.com/teams/calgary-flames/ |
I wouldn't be so sure of that.
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04-29-2017, 04:58 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
I wouldn't be so sure of that.
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Well maybe not that quickly but it is a desirable, profitable market so it would just be a matter of time
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04-29-2017, 05:07 PM
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#2134
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Quote:
Originally Posted by edslunch
Well maybe not that quickly but it is a desirable, profitable market so it would just be a matter of time
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I'm sure other cities such as Seattle have thought the same.
Bettman could also block any movement and I think he's been known to hold a grudge.
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04-29-2017, 05:11 PM
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#2135
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vulcan
I'm sure other cities such as Seattle have thought the same.
Bettman could also block any movement and I think he's been known to hold a grudge.
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Canadian city, 10th best attendance. Not a contest vs any currently open city
http://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance
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04-29-2017, 05:23 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by edslunch
The latest valuation I could find is from Forbes last year. While the Flames are only #16 their valuation is $410M of which only 41M is attributed to the brand. Go ahead and move Ken, another team will take your place within a year or two
https://www.forbes.com/teams/calgary-flames/ |
Not without a firm deal for a new stadium they won't. Which leads us all back to square one
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04-29-2017, 05:26 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by edslunch
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It might make financial sense to you but I don't look at major sports leagues as being run on your notion of capitalism. To me what each league is, is an elite private club with a very limited membership who follow that clubs rules and bias'. If one of them gets run out of Calgary, they'll make Calgary pay as an example.
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04-29-2017, 07:04 PM
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#2138
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hyperbole Chamber
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Originally Posted by CedarMeter
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What a terrible article.
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04-30-2017, 10:13 AM
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#2139
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Clinching Party
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vulcan
If one of them gets run out of Calgary, they'll make Calgary pay as an example.
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For sure. If the city drives them out, we wouldn't likely get another NHL team anytime soon.
Just like the time when I insisted my girlfriend buy me a Kawasaki Ninja for my birthday and she refused. So, I drove the bike I had into the Bow River and moved to Fort Macleod. I showed her!
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04-30-2017, 10:27 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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I would love to be in the room for Edward's presentation to the rest of the board of governors about how uneconomical the market of Calgary is just to see the looks on the faces of the 10+ owners in the league struggling to turn a profit on a yearrar to year basis.
Maybe peter karmanos and Edwards could just swap markets? After all, the pnc arena was largely publicly financed and is less than 20 years old.
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