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Old 05-24-2017, 04:56 PM   #6601
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I see Eberle as a good player who would benefit from a change of scenery. If the salary were a better fit for us right now, I'd take him on. If the Oilers want to retain salary, the Flames should be all over him. He was the player who showed great chemistry with McDavid in the latter's rookie year, and I could see him being a solid fit for the Flames on the right side with 13 and 23.
Recall a while ago people whining about the fact that the Oilers were screwing with overall salary structure out of desperation incompetence?

Its the same thing, if you're not at the tail-end of your career you arent taking many pay cuts.
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Old 05-24-2017, 07:12 PM   #6602
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i think elberbe would be an interesting reclamation project....if you put him in the right room, i think he could turn things around...

but as many have stated, he getting twice as much as he should be getting..the oilers would need to eat around half that contract or take a bad contract coming back... even by sweetening the pot with a draft pick, i just can't see it...term is too long to take on that cap hit unless its a team trying to get to the basement

i don't think anyone would take on a 6 million dollar cap hit for Eberle; reclamation projects don't always work - like yakupov for example...

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Old 05-25-2017, 08:23 AM   #6603
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anton lander signs in the khl.

was he really part of the oilers plans anyways?
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Old 05-25-2017, 08:24 AM   #6604
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anton lander signs in the khl.

was he really part of the oilers plans anyways?
Meh, even though when you watched Oiler broadcasts they hyped him like he was actually something.
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Old 05-25-2017, 08:26 AM   #6605
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anton lander signs in the khl.

was he really part of the oilers plans anyways?
But ,But, McDavid factor.....
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Old 05-25-2017, 09:42 AM   #6606
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But ,But, McDavid factor.....
Ya, didn't you hear, Crosby and Malkin have requested a trade to Edmonton and Pittsburgh has agreed to retain their salaries so Edmonton stays under the cap so the dynasty can live once again!

Where is the vomit emoji?

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Old 05-25-2017, 10:51 AM   #6607
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was he really part of the oilers plans anyways?
That's a gutsy move with KHL teams folding and playing sometimes waiting up to 6 months to get paid.
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Old 05-25-2017, 10:58 AM   #6608
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But ,But, McDavid factor.....
It's the new McDavid factor. No money for any other players.

He'll take his chances in a league that's 6 months late on payments.
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Old 05-25-2017, 11:27 AM   #6609
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Meh, even though when you watched Oiler broadcasts they hyped him like he was actually something.
the guy was literally gretzky-tier in the games I watched him play vs Stockton this year. He put up 12 points in the first 4 games games the greasebirds played against the Heat this year, he was unstoppable.

I have no idea why he's been so awful at the NHL level yet so good in the AHL
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Old 05-25-2017, 11:55 AM   #6610
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the guy was literally gretzky-tier in the games I watched him play vs Stockton this year. He put up 12 points in the first 4 games games the greasebirds played against the Heat this year, he was unstoppable.

I have no idea why he's been so awful at the NHL level yet so good in the AHL
I thought the AHL was littered with guys like these. Too good for the AHL, but terrible in the NHL. Some guys just can't translate what they do at all when the game is faster and against better defencemen goalies and defencemen.
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Old 05-25-2017, 12:12 PM   #6611
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I thought the AHL was littered with guys like these. Too good for the AHL, but terrible in the NHL. Some guys just can't translate what they do at all when the game is faster and against better defencemen goalies and defencemen.
You'd figure if you can dominate guys who would be bottom pair caliber in the NHL, you would at least be able to score more than 7 points over your last ~82 games in the NHL. And it isn't even like his fancies are great and he's just unlucky. He's kind of terrible on those metrics as well.

I hope that the Flames can handle Jankowski's development a lot better than the grease handled Lander's. Lander put up 20 points in 38 games in his draft+6 in the NHL, he shouldn't have stagnated like he did.
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Old 05-25-2017, 01:30 PM   #6612
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You'd figure if you can dominate guys who would be bottom pair caliber in the NHL, you would at least be able to score more than 7 points over your last ~82 games in the NHL. And it isn't even like his fancies are great and he's just unlucky. He's kind of terrible on those metrics as well.

I hope that the Flames can handle Jankowski's development a lot better than the grease handled Lander's. Lander put up 20 points in 38 games in his draft+6 in the NHL, he shouldn't have stagnated like he did.
I am not disagreeing with you. I just think that some players just can't make quick enough decisions, or aren't strong enough on the puck, or have a large enough weakness that holds them back somehow, or just don't have the IQ to be able to find a role in the NHL.

I mean, why didn't Jason Jaffray make it? He was a fantastic AHL'er and had seasons of PPG or higher.

Jamie Lundmark comes to mind.

Why wasn't Brett Sutter ever able to stick in the NHL? He had good speed, was gritty, grew up around hockey, was incredibly committed as well as I remember he was the 2nd fittest Flame at camp after Iginla.

John Armstrong was widely seen as a "can't miss 4th liner at least", and he fizzled out after just being unable to take that next step.

Ben Walter I thought was a real smart, all-round decent bottom 6 guy. Why did he not end up having much time in the NHL while a much more undersized guy in Byron end up making it?

There is usually some kind of a reason behind it. I thought Lander was actually a decent player for his age, and I also thought that he was going to be a very useful player (and one that would have been aggravating to play against for the Flames). I am inclined to believe that Edmonton just sucks at developing, but there is a long laundry list of guys that seem like they are destined for the NHL and show well at the pro-level. Heck, they even show real well for a stretch at the NHL level too. Then they just kind of fizzle out. I just think that in some cases an injury really derails a player (Kolanos, Wahl or Negrin for instance), a player goes through troubling times personally (addition issues, or just loose their motivation), or just can't seem to find their game with the speed of the NHL, the pressure it gives, or even just the grind of it.

A really good question is where did things go wrong with Yakupov. Though some may argue that he shouldn't have been selected 1st overall, I don't think there is anything to argue with the statement that he should have been selected at least in the top 5 or 7. He showed well for a stretch too. Where did his development go wrong (other than being drafted by Edmonton) and how did it fall apart for him?

It definitely makes things more interesting when you follow prospects and see them go through their highs and lows. It is especially perplexing when you see them do well at the NHL level, and then fade away into the obscurity of the European leagues within a few seasons.

I think in this case, I will assume Lander's career got derailed simply because Edmonton is no good at developing.

Eberle hasn't improved since his first season.
RNH hasn't really improved since his first season either.
Hall improved so well, that he got traded.
Yakupov never improved.
Nurse doesn't look like he is improving.

I am sure there are exceptions (McDavid being one of course, but it is difficult to include a generational player in any form of statistical evidence where it comes to development). It just seems to me that young players go to Edmonton, and they either stagnate right away or just don't improve. Draisaitl is probably the best exception as his development is going well, but given their track record, we will wait and see if it holds out.

Something something Edmonton sucks at drafting and development and sucks at a lot of other stuff too like something something.
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i'd take Eberle on the Flames (after the expansion draft)

Eberle for Stajan and Lazar.
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i'd take Eberle on the Flames (after the expansion draft)

Eberle for Stajan and Lazar.
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Old 05-25-2017, 11:42 PM   #6615
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Did anyone catch this Hall interview? Basically admits to the Oilers tanking

"That was frustrating when in the dressing room and the coaches and our game plan is to try and win games, but sometimes the ultimate plan really isnít to do that at some points, especially early in my career there,Ē Hall said on Sportsnet 590 The Fanís Starting Lineup Thursday. ďI think thatís hard on a young player. I think the biggest thing for development in young players is seeing how to win games and maybe that could have been done more in Edmonton early on, but Iím not really sure.Ē
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/t...uild-edmonton/
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