2015 NHL Draft

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Next years projection (obviously way early)
30. Buffalo
29. Islanders
28. Flames
27. Oilers
26. Canucks
25. Panthers

We will have a real good shot at McDavid or Eichel.

Assuming NYI defer their first round pick they have to give us to next year, that would give Buffalo something like a 60% chance of drafting McDavid AND Eichel. Omg.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Assuming NYI defer their first round pick they have to give us to next year, that would give Buffalo something like a 60% chance of drafting McDavid AND Eichel. Omg.

Garth Snow is a certified idiot. Wouldn't rule it out.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Don't worry we won't intentionally tank but this team will not be better next year and we're 4th last right now.

What's going to make it better next year? I don't see anything, only see things that wil make it even a longer year next year.

-Cammi will be gone so thats even less offence.
-I can see Glencross dealt at the draft not like he cares, he checked out when Gio got the C.
-We'll just have more rookies up front with Monahan likely struggling with sophomore slump.
-Gio has played way above his normal self, he will be good but hard to imagine he will have the energy to keep playing as hard as he has next year.

Ramo and Ortio will/should gain bit more consistency though.

Buffalo will still be brutal.
Vancouver will join the bottom but with them keeping Sedin I don't think they'll be all out tank mode.
Edmonton will still be crap but should improve a bit no? like seriously.
Florida with Lou and some good young pieces upfront will be better imo
Islanders? no goalie will still suck

Next years projection (obviously way early)
30. Buffalo
29. Islanders
28. Flames
27. Oilers
26. Canucks
25. Panthers

We will have a real good shot at McDavid or Eichel.

Real good shot as in 14.2%?

Assuming the Flames finish 28th overall. And McDavid/eichel are consensus 1 and 2. Only way Flames get either is to win the lottery

Even if they finish 29th overall, there is a 56.2% chance they won't get either.

Only way to get a guaranteed shot at one of them is to finish 30th and given this season and the fact there is more incentive for teams to tank next year, that won't be easy?

[sa226]

This whole McDavid thing sometimes keeps me awake at night. The fact that this is as close as this franchise could be to having a generational talent in 10 years or more, and we likely won't get him. I don't even like to think about it.

Yet when you look at Pittsburgh, with arguably 2 generational talents. They only have 1 cup.

For every Pittsburgh, there is a Boston, Carolina, Chicago, even Colorado.

It would be supremely awesome to get McDavid. But I don't think its necessary.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

what is with everyone saying stuff like this? Does everyone think Burke only wants bottom six muckers or something? I think if we are drafting top 10, he will be aiming at adding some high end scoring to our prospect pool.

I was thinking more of the 2nd round.

At the time I made that post, Konecny was projected as bottom-1st (could likely trade for at 2015 deadline) or early 2nd (where we'd be finishing at anyways) and McKenzie was projected as a late 2nd.

Both have recently risen in draft standings.

[Da_Chief]

Oh and the Isles would be smart to cut their loses and give them the pick this year instead of giving them a generational talent next year.

Snow should be fired.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by sa226

This whole McDavid thing sometimes keeps me awake at night. The fact that this is as close as this franchise could be to having a generational talent in 10 years or more, and we likely won't get him. I don't even like to think about it.

Yet when you look at Pittsburgh, with arguably 2 generational talents. They only have 1 cup.

For every Pittsburgh, there is a Boston, Carolina, Chicago, even Colorado.

It would be supremely awesome to get McDavid. But I don't think its necessary.

Crosby is the closest thing to a generational talent this generation, but I don't know if he is that head and shoulders above everyone else. The gap between him and other players isn't nearly as big as it was when looking at "generational" players like Gretzky and Orr. I am not even sure if I would put him in Lemieux territory in terms of where he is relative to his peers.

It is of course partly because the whole upper tier of talent is more competitive now than it used to be. The whole notion of a "generational" talent is becoming obsolete.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by sa226

This whole McDavid thing sometimes keeps me awake at night. The fact that this is as close as this franchise could be to having a generational talent in 10 years or more, and we likely won't get him.

Yeah, probably not... but then no one is likely to get him. Even the worst team in the league (whomever that ends up being) only has a 25% chance.

Fact is that once we spend what we have to spend to get to the cap floor the total team talent likely lands right about where we are this year. Even so, as nice as McDavid or Eichel would be, the 2015 draft is deep... I certainly wouldn't sneeze at adding a Barzal/Hanifin to the ranks.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Assuming NYI defer their first round pick they have to give us to next year, that would give Buffalo something like a 60% chance of drafting McDavid AND Eichel. Omg.

I think you might be bad at math.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

I think you might be bad at math.

Heh.

Sorry cube he's right... it'd be a max 43.8% chance (assuming that both the Sabres and Islander finish in the dead bottom of the league). Personally I think the Islanders finish better then that. Uninjured Tavaras + Young guys getting a year closer to their prime + a lot of decent goalies up as UFA's + No incentive to finish low.

[Poe969]

I think ideally the isles would give the sabres this years pick, the sabres get 1 and 2 in this years pick and trade one of them to the Flames so we can pick Ekblad. The isles keep next years pick and end up in 9th. Flames finish 30th next year and get McDavid.

I can dream can't I?

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I think ideally the isles would give the sabres this years pick, the sabres get 1 and 2 in this years pick and trade one of them to the Flames so we can pick Ekblad. The isles keep next years pick and end up in 9th. Flames finish 30th next year and get McDavid.

I can dream can't I?

Never hurts to dream big, but who the heck would they want for 1st or 2nd overall? Gio+?

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Never hurts to dream big, but who the heck would they want for 1st or 2nd overall? Gio+?

Well if Cammy is worth Drouin then certainly the negotiating rights to Cammy has to be worth 1st or 2nd overall doesn't it?

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Never hurts to dream big, but who the heck would they want for 1st or 2nd overall? Gio+?

Maybe our 1st 2014 + 2nd 2014 + ____ for Buffalo 1st 2014?

It would have to be something similar to that I assume.

[Poe969]

I'm thinking if we finish bottom 5 we could send our first + someone like Sven or a prospect or later pick (avs 2nd) to move up a few spots.

As for 2015, I don't think they'll be a chance any team moves that #1 pick.

[Jacks]

I don't really watch junior hockey but why is McDavid considered to be such a generational talent? I've seen some hilight reels but his numbers really don't look amazing.

51 games - 22 goals - 86 points

When I think "generational talent" I think of Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby.
Gretzky 2nd year in junior: 64 games - 70 goals - 182 points
Lemieux 2nd year in junior: 66 games - 84 goals - 184 points
Lemieux's 3rd year was amazing 70 games - 133 goals - 282 points
Crosby 2nd year in junior: 62 games - 66 goals - 168 points

Not trying to dump on the kid but what am I missing here?

[saillias]

John Tavares had better number than that as well. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=89823

There was a bit of generational player talk around Tavares, but not nearly as much as there is around McDavid.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Heh.

Sorry cube he's right... it'd be a max 43.8% chance (assuming that both the Sabres and Islander finish in the dead bottom of the league). Personally I think the Islanders finish better then that. Uninjured Tavaras + Young guys getting a year closer to their prime + a lot of decent goalies up as UFA's + No incentive to finish low.

Exactly.
43.8% is a far cry from 60%. It's a difference of just under 37%.

(For the mathematically challenged:
60-43.8 = 16.2.
16.2/43.8 = .3698.
So, 16.2 is 36.98% of 42.8).

[Buck Murdock]

Originally Posted by GoFlamesGo1989

I know it's is a ways away but I don't think there has been a better looking prospect draft class.

Connor Mcdavid
Jack Eichel
Dylan Strome
Mathew Barzal

All 4 of these are generational talents. Eichel and McDavid are going to be the absolute superstars. Whoever gets one of these guys is going to be set for 10-15 years. It's so exciting to watch.

I'm most intrigued by Eichel have never seen a player with his type of skill set. His first two steps are unbelievable. So strong on his feet with a fantastic passing ability. If he was Canadian he would be getting just as much press as Connor McDavid.

Even better than Hall, Yak, and RNH? I find that hard to believe.

[OutOfTheCube]

A 44% chance of drafting the two best prospects in ten years is still pretty awesome. 100% chance of getting at least one is great too. Assuming everything falls into place (which it rarely does).

I didn't google the numbers, just took a stab in the dark. Close enough, dorks!