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[Sec218]

You would also think that Johnny and Mony would like to know who the coach will be before committing for 8 years.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Sec218

You would also think that Johnny and Mony would like to know who the coach will be before committing for 8 years.

I doubt it. They likely just got their way with one coach on the way out, and will probably see at least 3 coaches come and go over that time frame if they sign 8 year deals.

I doubt their contracts are on hold for the new coach announcement, unless they are on hold because Treliving is prioritizing the finding the new coach over those negotiations.

[Vulcan]

AHL finals going on at SN1 right now. Lake Erie is leading series 2-0. The reason I'm bringing this up is Jared Bednar , the Monster's coach I think has been mentioned as a candidate. He's 44 and has a long varied coaching record in the minors. Spent one year as an asst. with Playfair in Abbotsford.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=10983

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I doubt it. They likely just got their way with one coach on the way out, and will probably see at least 3 coaches come and go over that time frame if they sign 8 year deals.

I doubt their contracts are on hold for the new coach announcement, unless they are on hold because Treliving is prioritizing the finding the new coach over those negotiations.

Yikes I certainly hope they don't see "at least 3 coaches" over the next 8 years 'cause that'll mean the Flames are a horrible team with an average tenure for each coach of just over 2 years!

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Agree about the penalties but disagree strongly about crapping the bed.
The Royals were supposed to be bottom feeders this season as they had lost all of their top 6 fwds pretty much. Again the lone bright spots were supposed to be Soy and Hickets.

Sure they bowed out in the 2nd round, but they certainly didn't choke.

Don't know how much you actually watch the Royals, but their offensive systems play this year and power play were very good.

The Royals had the 2nd best goal differential in the WHL. 281 GF , 166 GA. That screams of solid system play and even if the royals were taking g tons of penalties (which they were slightly above league average) they finished with the 2nd best PK in the league.

I concede the wheels fell off against Kelowna, but they shouldn't have even been in the playoffs in the first place.

They had 13 game winning streak and finished the season 9-0-1. So it's not like they sputtered into the playoffs.

Lowry is the biggest reason for the Royals season.

That's fair, like I said didn't mean to crap on the Royals, who had a great regular season... Just not my first choice based on my limited exposure to his coaching/teams. Junior is so cyclical so Kelowna is going to have their days losing playoff series or missing out entirely one day soon.

Lowry definitely seems to do really well with the cast-off/reclamation type players like Forsberg and Chase who have had issues elsewhere and his regular season was solid this year, through friends I've also heard he's a good guy from his time playing with the Flames. Just not the guy I'm pulling for to be coach based on that discipline piece and that final playoff step. But if he's the guy, will be happily cheering for him if he leads the flames to success!

[Frank MetaMusil]

If the "process" results in Dave Lowry on a second coaching stint with the Flames I'll be pissed. Might as well dial up Hartsburg and Brent for another go around.

[Samonadreau]

^ worry need not young Jedi. No Lowry hired here will be.

[sureLoss]

Well cross Todd Richards off the list

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
#tblightning have hired former CBJ head coach Todd Richards to be an assistant coach under Jon Cooper. He will replace Steve Thomas.

[Erick Estrada]

Yes!

[FanIn80]

This is good progress.

"Once you eliminate all the candidates, whomever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the coach."
-Sir Arthur Conan Treliving

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

This is good progress.

"Once you eliminate all the candidates, whomever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the coach."
-Sir Arthur Conan Treliving

Scotty Bowman?

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Scotty Bowman?

Al MacNeil is still raring to go.

[Timbo]

Its got to be Terry Crisp there is no one else left

[sureLoss]

Cross Scott Stevens off the list

Minnesota Wild @mnwild
#mnwild has named Scott Stevens as an Assistant Coach.

[dammage79]

Now that is really too bad.So Shaw and Green are still there. And Gulutzan...

Edit: And John Stevens is still available too! Reading comp, zero today.

[Erick Estrada]

Yes!

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Yikes I certainly hope they don't see "at least 3 coaches" over the next 8 years 'cause that'll mean the Flames are a horrible team with an average tenure for each coach of just over 2 years!

This next coach will be the 6th head coach post lockout. The Flames appear to fit that description

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Not all shots are the same. A dump in on the goalie from centre has a low probability of going in while a rebound in the slot is a dangerous chance.

Confusing shots for scoring chances is one of the biggest flaws with corsi. It's very similar to plus-minus in usefulness which is to say not very useful.

Corsi with respect to coaches is not about offense. Corsi is about defense. If you are controlling the shot attempts you are controlling the play, and keeping the puck off the stick of the opposition's star players.

Defense at the NHL level is a myth. Sure you can block a few shots if somebody like Wideman is just shooting them into shin pads. But as soon as that puck is on the stick of somebody like Kane or Crosby you're at the mercy of your goalie making a ten-bell save.

The only way to defend elite players is to play as much keep-away as is possible, 170 feet from the net. It's to not have your fourth line out there stuck in the defensive zone on an island against the other team's best five man unit because they failed to perform a basic clear.

That's what corsi "measures", and what it correlates to, and what Hartley and Carlyle and Kreuger fail to measure up. It's what a guy like Darryl Sutter preaches. The Kings are the best possession team, does that make them a dangerous offensive team? Not unless the players can score. But it does make them a stifling defensive team no matter who's in net, even with some pretty big sieves on the blue line like Schenn.

Corsi doesn't measure Scoring chances. Correct. It makes no claim it attempts to.
Corsi doesn't measure Goal Scoring. It makes no claim it attempts to.
Corsi doesn't measure pure puck-on-stick possession time. It makes no claim it attempts to nor is that an issue as this is a sport where the puck is rarely on anyone's stick for extended periods, and when it is there is often a giveaway soon after.
Corsi is a proxy for useful offensive zone time. It claims to be that and it correlates well to that. What the players do offensively still matters. What it addresses defensively, is consistent.

[FlamesAddiction]

It can't help that we fired Hartley just one season after winning the Jack Adams and guiding an underdog team in the early stages of a rebuilding to the conference semi-finals. It gives the optics that there is no room for error and that the Flames management is tough to please.

If you are a young up and coming coach, it's not an ideal situation to step into as failure could mean a short NHL career. And proven veteran coaches have better options.

I think we need to accept that this team is going to have to turn over a lot of rocks and won't have first pick. When Hartley was let go, I thought there was no way that Burkliving would do that without having someone lined up, but now I have to wonder.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It can't help that we fired Hartley just one season after winning the Jack Adams and guiding an underdog team in the early stages of a rebuilding to the conference semi-finals. It gives the optics that there is no room for error and that the Flames management is tough to please.

If you are a young up and coming coach, it's not an ideal situation to step into as failure could mean a short NHL career. And proven veteran coaches have better options.

I think we need to accept that this team is going to have to turn over a lot of rocks and won't have first pick. When Hartley was let go, I thought there was no way that Burkliving would do that without having someone lined up, but now I have to wonder.

you don't think respective coaches and their agent/handlers can see that the team hired a hockey president after they already had a GM and coach, and this is the final step to complete the new hierarchy?

This isn't Treliving and Burke mowing through coaches year after year.

It's a process coming to completion.