Vinyl - New HBO Show

[TheAlpineOracle]

Anyone else catch this last night? I've been eagerly anticipating this show for a few months now. First hour was terrible, but the things picked up in the second hour of the premiere when everything came together (seemed really disjointed at the start). I'll keep watching for now, but was a little disappointed.

[Thor]

Loved both hours of it, started slow but this show has huge potential, especially with the people backing this show.

[afc wimbledon]

Really wanted to like it but found it a bit of a sprawling mess to be frank.

[TheAlpineOracle]

If this wasn't an HBO show, I probably wouldn't be tuning back in next week.

[dammage79]

It didn't impress me much. Probably won't be following this one.

[jayswin]

It was a tough watch, I found. Visually it was pretty nice and you could totally tell what they were going for, really neat idea for a show. But in the end there just wasn't enough going on and the scenes just dragged on.

[Thor]

Yeah I get that, but seems like a show with huge upside, which would mean you give it a few more episodes

[To Be Quite Honest]

This is going to be a very entertaining show. First off, it's Scorsese produced and *directed affair (*First Episode Only) which means that it's character driven. If you find it slow you may not like character stories. It's very much like Boardwalk Empire, except that with Boardwalk Empire, you might have liked the subject matter more. Will it be as great as Boardwalk Empire? In quality, yes, but the story will be exaggerated and if that bothers you, you might as well watch something else.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

This is going to be a very entertaining show. First off, it's Scorsese produced and *directed affair (*First Episode Only) which means that it's character driven. If you find it slow you may not like character stories. It's very much like Boardwalk Empire, except that with Boardwalk Empire, you might have liked the subject matter more. Will it be as great as Boardwalk Empire? In quality, yes, but the story will be exaggerated and if that bothers you, you might as well watch something else.

I didn't mind that it was character driven, I minded that the characters were a sort of shallow parody, it was WKRP Cincinnati with drugs and tits. What irked was that the artists were real people, if you are going to put Robert Plant or Ruth Brown into a show they should be moderately believable, at least subtle. Robert Plant was an accountant before he joined Led Zeppelin, his brief portrayel was as a Buffon, ditto Peter Grant their manager, it was a one dimensional portrayel of them.

They would have been better to go the Almost Famous route, which was also about Led Zeppelin but they had enough sense to turn them into an imaginary band.

[To Be Quite Honest]

The focus of the series isn't about led zeppelin. It was for that episode in only that he wanted to sign them and that's where it ends. Finding so much "fault" in a series over such a small thing is hipster critique.

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[afc wimbledon]

Thus far the show has used every shallow cliche of the record business possible, every character, every one is predictable. It may get better but thus far it is sadly disappointing.

I use the Plant character as an example but every one is the same, they are all taken straight from the Hollywood writers big book of stock personalities.

[Engine09]

Was listening to the Bennington Show today and Ron was really, really disappointed in Vinyl, almost ripping it apart. He wanted to like it but was put off by how bad they missed the mark, so many scenes historically incorrect, unrealistic and just downright bad.

I thought the commercials were over the top and cringeworthy, even Bobby Cannavale who is great looked silly but now I'm curious and might have to check it out. First episode is 2 hours though? I don't know, every time I get roped into a TV show I usually regret it.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Nowhere in Vinyl does it state that it is based on a True Story. Lets look back on Scorsese and see how many shows he was involved in that are also similar in being period pieces and story telling.

Boardwalk Empire
The Wolf of Wall Street
Aviator
Gangs of New York
Casino
Goodfellas

People today are freaking ridiculous in their hipster critiquing. They are trying to compare other directors and producers style to Scorsese and then judging Scorsese for not creating shows like them. He has his style and I don't think he's going to change it for the likes of you, me or anyone else. There are going to be MASSIVE liberties taken for this story. Do you really think Richie Finestra witnessed all the classical moments in music history? No! It's a story!

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Nowhere in Vinyl does it state that it is based on a True Story. Lets look back on Scorsese and see how many shows he was involved in that are also similar in being period pieces and story telling.

Boardwalk Empire
The Wolf of Wall Street
Aviator
Gangs of New York
Casino
Goodfellas

People today are freaking ridiculous in their hipster critiquing. They are trying to compare other directors and producers style to Scorsese and then judging Scorsese for not creating shows like them. He has his style and I don't think he's going to change it for the likes of you, me or anyone else. There are going to be MASSIVE liberties taken for this story. Do you really think Richie Finestra witnessed all the classical moments in music history? No! It's a story!

At the risk of being accused of being a hipster I will point out that just because Scorsese makes something doesn't mean it's good.
I liked the Wolf of Wall Street but it wasn't a great movie, it was a laugh.
Scorsese has a tendency to allow his characters veer into parody these days, in a way he never used to, I actually think that started with Goodfellas but it was such a good movie it didn't matter.
You compare any of these later films with mean streets or raging bull and they don't come close, De Niro and Pesci were vulnerable and had nuance.

[freakinsaprikin]

Maybe I'm a simple man, but I liked it. I liked the feel of it. I liked how they incorporated the musical pieces. I liked the actors and characters.

Plus, I thought everybody loved Raymond?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Really wanted to like it but found it a bit of a sprawling mess to be frank.

Yup

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

If this wasn't an HBO show, I probably wouldn't be tuning back in next week.

Yup

Originally Posted by jayswin

It was a tough watch, I found. Visually it was pretty nice and you could totally tell what they were going for, really neat idea for a show. But in the end there just wasn't enough going on and the scenes just dragged on.

Yup

Hey, I like character studies, and character driven shows. I just haven't seen anything that exciting yet, even character wise. I'll give it a few more shows cause HBO almost always does well and so does Scorsese, but it's not like that means it's automatically going to be good.

I felt this episode could have been done in 60-80 minutes easily enough. We were left with so many scenes with the main character looking around stupefied with his mouth open when we already knew what was going on and had a feel of the mood and the scene. Felt like Martin was trying to get a little TOO artsy or moody, and it just seemed wasteful, boring, and ego driven. Hey, I think they guy is a great director and great storyteller, but it doesn't mean everything he touches turns to gold, and it doesn't mean he's not above screwing up. That happens to directors sometimes at the end of their careers.

And I'm not sure what that ending was all about. Is that some sort of symbolism? Metaphor?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I liked it well enough and will be tuning in again this week. I can't believe anyone would give a crap about the historical accuracy of the show. I feel like the series premiere did lack a little bit of urgency with the storytelling and we didn't really get a true sense of worry with the selling of their record company and the consequences if it didn't.

My only hope for the show is the score Scoresese cuts down a little bit on the drug use compared to some of his previous outings like the Wolf of Wall Street. I just find shows about characters who are coked out of their minds all the time to be a little bit boring. I want to see some real conflict in their lives that doesn't arise because the character is ####ed out of their mind.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I didn't mind that it was character driven, I minded that the characters were a sort of shallow parody, it was WKRP Cincinnati with drugs and tits.

That sold me on giving the show a shot!

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Daradon

And I'm not sure what that ending was all about. Is that some sort of symbolism? Metaphor?

It's based on a true story, although there was no show being played during the real collapse.

http://www.vulture.com/2016/02/vinyl...backstory.html#

And although the screenwriters of the pilot (including Martin Scorsese, who directed and co-wrote it) have bent a few details slightly to suit the story, it's no fiction. The Mercer Arts Center, and the eight-story building housing it, was a very real place at Broadway and West 3rd Street that collapsed, in a very real cloud of dust, on the evening of August 3, 1973.

At about 5 p.m., as the signs grew more ominous, Kaback himself bolted, then ran back in for his wallet, and got out just in time. The south section of the building came down at 5:10 p.m. (In Vinyl's CGI version, it happens late at night as the Dolls play, and the feeling is that sheer guitar power causes the collapse.) About 300 people got out in time. Four were killed.

[jayswin]

Anyone catch the second episode? Much better flow and interesting storylines. Scenes didn't drag on.