Lance Bouma: what sort of contract has he earned?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

IMO, this current contract was his 'bridge' deal. He played out his entry level deal with us, and then signed a 1yr deal with us last summer.

Now I don't believe you go re-signing him under the assumption that he will match this production every season going forward. Bouma's agent will leverage this season against Treliving, while Treliving will counter with the 2013/14 season. The end deal falls in the middle, for what you'd pay a 12G + 15A, heart and soul, 3rd line banger. Something like a 3yr deal @ $2M per.

I can't see Prust dollars, as he was a UFA.

I agree with everything you said except that this was a bridge contract. It was a show me contract. A bridge contract when done right takes him into a few years of what would otherwise be UFA status - like Brodie's.

I do like your suggested contract, although I think he might make a decent argument for $2.5M. I'd give him that, but lengthen the term.

[cannon7]

I give Bouma ~30pts money even if he's only a ~20pts guy after this season. Does any player on this roster have more intangibles than him? Speaking of Prust, wish we had him back -- him and Bouma on the same line would be awesome.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I give Bouma ~30pts money even if he's only a ~20pts guy after this season. Does any player on this roster have more intangibles than him? Speaking of Prust, wish we had him back -- him and Bouma on the same line would be awesome.

You can't overpay for intangibles though. That might not be fair, or even right, but contending teams get intangibles for value, and pay for points. It's true that the Flames could probably be fine to overpay Bouma for the next few years, but if you want him around after that, when they maybe need to be more cap conscious, you also can't pay him now in a fashion that makes him unaffordable later or you have to slap him in the face later with asking for a pay cut, that's not good either.

We love him, but you simply can't overpay for Bouma at any point, unless you are confident he's a going to be close to a 20 goal guy. It's the way the league is, you pay for points, less so for intangibles, despite how valuable they are.

[Buff]

Bouma is a hard guy to sign. Not because he is difficult in contract negotions but because of his worth vs his perceived worth. Not a 20 goal guy so don't pay him much, but the guy goes to and through the wall for you. He won't play much past 30 years with how hard he is on his body, so in that aspect he would need to be rewarded for his sacrifices to the team. The problem is how people see the bottom line. For many peoples eyes salary and scoring are the correlation of a player's worth. So a fan of the Philadelphia Flyers would have looked at Bouma's stats, maybe even looked at how he performed in the AHL and WHL and they would wonder why are the Flames bothering to waste a spot on Bouma? Yet, the Flames fans who watch every game (or most) see Bouma's value to the team. Thankfully fans don't assign a players worth or every team would be in cap hell.

So, what is the proper contract for Bouma? I wonder if Treliving tries to sign Bouma for a one year contract at double the annual salary with the notion that it will go up to the 2.5M or more per year range on a long term deal if he can score somewhere within the same range or better, otherwise he'll only get 2.5M at the very most.

From Bouma's standpoint, he's going to want to get as much as he can, and as quickly as he can because with the way he plays his body won't let him have a very long career, and once he has to take it down a notch he won't be the same player any more.

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by devo22

that's the contract that Tyler Johnson and Ondrej Palat got last year. Sorry, I love Bouma, but 3.33/3 is too much for one good season.

I think that is the perfect contract. Flames have the space, Bouma has definitely earned it. Would be a good message to young guys coming into the lineup - Work your ass off every shift, get rewarded.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

I think that is the perfect contract. Flames have the space, Bouma has definitely earned it. Would be a good message to young guys coming into the lineup - Work your ass off every shift, get rewarded.

3.33 for Bouma is too much.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

I think that is the perfect contract. Flames have the space, Bouma has definitely earned it. Would be a good message to young guys coming into the lineup - Work your ass off every shift, get rewarded.

They have the space now, but they'll need it when Monahan, Gaudreau, Russell, Giordano, Hudler, and Bennett all need big dollars, which aside from Bennett, that time is going to come sooner rather than later.

[SHOGUN]

2- 2.5 mill would be great.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

3.33 for Bouma is too much.

I thought I would take a look at who else in the NHL currently has an average contract value around $3MM per year - this is what I found:

Charlie Coyle, Minnesota - Avg Value $3.2MM 11G, 25A, 34Pts
Martin Hanzel, Arizona - Avg Value $3.1MM 8G, 16A, 24Pts
Matt Stajan, Calgary - Avg Value $3.1MM 7G, 9A, 16Pts
Andrew Cogliano, Anaheim - Avg Value $3.0MM 14G, 12A, 26Pts
Paul Gaustad, Nashville - Avg Value $3.25MM 4G, 9A, 13Pts
Leo Komarov, Toronto - Avg Value $2.95MM 8G, 17A. 25Pts

Lance Bouma, Calgary 16G, 17A, 33Pts


Out of this group only Charlie Coyle is showing better production than Bouma. $3MM average annual value does not look outrageous for Boums.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by devo22

that's the contract that Tyler Johnson and Ondrej Palat got last year. Sorry, I love Bouma, but 3.33/3 is too much for one good season.

Johnson has 67 points, Palat 57
Bouma has 33
I love Bouma too, but you're completely right.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Johnson has 67 points, Palat 57
Bouma has 33
I love Bouma too, but you're completely right.

But will those guys block multiple shots with their glove?

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

Out of this group only Charlie Coyle is showing better production than Bouma. $3MM average annual value does not look outrageous for Boums.

True... but I thought the Stajan contract was bad the second it was signed and when I ask myself if I would would want the others on those tickets the answer tends to be no.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

I thought I would take a look at who else in the NHL currently has an average contract value around $3MM per year - this is what I found:

Charlie Coyle, Minnesota - Avg Value $3.2MM 11G, 25A, 34Pts
Martin Hanzel, Arizona - Avg Value $3.1MM 8G, 16A, 24Pts
Matt Stajan, Calgary - Avg Value $3.1MM 7G, 9A, 16Pts
Andrew Cogliano, Anaheim - Avg Value $3.0MM 14G, 12A, 26Pts
Paul Gaustad, Nashville - Avg Value $3.25MM 4G, 9A, 13Pts
Leo Komarov, Toronto - Avg Value $2.95MM 8G, 17A. 25Pts

Lance Bouma, Calgary 16G, 17A, 33Pts


Out of this group only Charlie Coyle is showing better production than Bouma. $3MM average annual value does not look outrageous for Boums.

Some of those are overpaid. Johnson and Palat signed 3m contracts too.

I love what Bouma brings to the team, but I don't want us overpaying to keep him when we will need the extra money for future signings/extensions.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

I thought I would take a look at who else in the NHL currently has an average contract value around $3MM per year - this is what I found:

Charlie Coyle, Minnesota - Avg Value $3.2MM 11G, 25A, 34Pts
Martin Hanzel, Arizona - Avg Value $3.1MM 8G, 16A, 24Pts
Matt Stajan, Calgary - Avg Value $3.1MM 7G, 9A, 16Pts
Andrew Cogliano, Anaheim - Avg Value $3.0MM 14G, 12A, 26Pts
Paul Gaustad, Nashville - Avg Value $3.25MM 4G, 9A, 13Pts
Leo Komarov, Toronto - Avg Value $2.95MM 8G, 17A. 25Pts

Lance Bouma, Calgary 16G, 17A, 33Pts


Out of this group only Charlie Coyle is showing better production than Bouma. $3MM average annual value does not look outrageous for Boums.

All of those are UFAs, right? IMO you don't overpay an RFA - you sign them to term to get value.

You could argue that it doesn't matter, but then I can list a fair number of contracts where guys are paid less than what you want to pay Bouma and have more points, as well.

[Yappin Tappin]

Slightly off-topic, but does anyone else think Bouma should be given time on the 2nd unit PP?

I think he'd be a much more effective player, parking himself in front of the net as a screen and going for tips or rebounds, than what Raymond currently offers on the PP (which in my opinion is very little).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Yappin Tappin

Slightly off-topic, but does anyone else think Bouma should be given time on the 2nd unit PP?

I think he'd be a much more effective player, parking himself in front of the net as a screen and going for tips or rebounds, than what Raymond currently offers on the PP (which in my opinion is very little).

Bouma cuold get a shot. But Raymond was excellent on his 40 seconds of PP yesterday and probably was robbed of a point on one of the only decent saves of the night. And being in front of the net isn't his job, though IMO he went there last night.

If you take him out for Bouma to go to the net, who is the puck carrier/shooter? The other guys on the second unit were Jooris and Backlund. I'd say if you replaced someone it would be Jooris, not Raymond.

ETA: I know everyone hates Raymond and loves Bouma, and Bouma is a more complete player. But production-wise (and that's what the PP is about) they are about equal this season as far as GPG and PPG go.

[T@T]

A hundred grand per point.

[Buster]

Teams like Chicago are successful long term because they have the NEXT bouma available for when this one gets offered an over-priced contract by some other team.

Hard to do that? Sure....but that's why there are only a few elite organizations.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Buster

Teams like Chicago are successful long term because they have the NEXT bouma available for when this one gets offered an over-priced contract by some other team.

Hard to do that? Sure....but that's why there are only a few elite organizations.

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Chicago gave big contracts to guys like Brandon Bollig and Bryan Bickell. They already had to move Bollig last offseason for a 3rd rounder due to cap squeeze.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

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Chicago gave big contracts to guys like Brandon Bollig and Bryan Bickell. They already had to move Bollig last offseason for a 3rd rounder due to cap squeeze.

which was a nice trade for Chicago.