scientology under the scope again

[krynski]

opinion- criticism of Scientology

so, i didn't know much about Scientology and how it works. This is a long video about people who have been part of the organization, and their problems with this "religion".

http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Shows/The_.../ID=1601997771

some highlights:
-advising women to have abortions
-paying 20$ a week
- when leaving, declared as a bad influence, and all contact cut off from friends and family (probably one of the biggest)

this is a little amusing:

"The Arbitration Committee of the Wikipedia internet encyclopedia decided in May 2009 to restrict access to its site from Church of Scientology IP addresses, to prevent self-serving edits by Scientologists."
-Wikipedia

*opinion*
To me, this sounds like a destruction of civil liberties, and giving one's life to take others away from their lives. It does not appear to be constructive in any way. I can respect most religions and cultures, and the rhyme or reason to which they exist. However, when they are taken to an extreme...to which friends and family are essentially forced away...that's not right. This....i can't respect this.

[Yasa]

Odd that they're advising women to get abortions. You'd think they would want to expand rather than contract.

[krynski]

Originally Posted by Yasa

Odd that they're advising women to get abortions. You'd think they would want to expand rather than contract.

well, they are advising abortions while they are making the 38c an hour or whatever in the "sea org", where individuals are recruited and essentially do quite a bit of labour and give their lives to work for the religion, doing various tasks. They don't have enough money to support children at that stage, and do not live ihn a stable home (atleast, in these particular situations), rather in institutions so to speak.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by krynski

opinion- criticism of Scientology

so, i didn't know much about Scientology and how it works. This is a long video about people who have been part of the organization, and their problems with this "religion".

http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Shows/The_.../ID=1601997771

some highlights:
-advising women to have abortions
-paying 20$ a week
- when leaving, declared as a bad influence, and all contact cut off from friends and family (probably one of the biggest)

this is a little amusing:

"The Arbitration Committee of the Wikipedia internet encyclopedia decided in May 2009 to restrict access to its site from Church of Scientology IP addresses, to prevent self-serving edits by Scientologists."
-Wikipedia

*opinion*
To me, this sounds like a destruction of civil liberties, and giving one's life to take others away from their lives. It does not appear to be constructive in any way. I can respect most religions and cultures, and the rhyme or reason to which they exist. However, when they are taken to an extreme...to which friends and family are essentially forced away...that's not right. This....i can't respect this.

Meh. Every religion has elements of this. If people take the good stuff away from it, more power to em. They're just another variety a kooky in a supermarket full of it.

[Hemi-Cuda]

as crazy as scientologists are, are they really any different from your mainstream religions?

[drewboy12]

I was dating a girl in Vancouver, and one day downtown we were bored. She asked if I wanted to go to the Scientology Museum... I told her it was a church.

she s*** bricks.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

as crazy as scientologists are, are they really any different from your mainstream religions?

They're worse. Crazier than any religion one can think of, backed by an army of lawyers that puts the MPAA to shame.


And yeah, the Wikipedia thing is entertaining. The decision to block all Scientology IP's was part of an arbitration case on site that led to no less than 50 editors being banned from editing Scientology articles or being blocked entirely. It was pretty much unprecedented in the site's history.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

They're worse. Crazier than any religion one can think of, backed by an army of lawyers that puts the MPAA to shame.


And yeah, the Wikipedia thing is entertaining. The decision to block all Scientology IP's was part of an arbitration case on site that led to no less than 50 editors being banned from editing Scientology articles or being blocked entirely. It was pretty much unprecedented in the site's history.

are their beliefs in some aliens, a volcano, and "thetans" really so different than an omnipotent being in the sky, a man that can walk on water and rise from the dead, or one man building a boat that could house 2 of every single species on Earth? and lets not get into the craziness that is the Mormon religion

i'm not taking the scientologists side or anything, i think they're a fraudulent organization that preys on the weak minded. but then again i think that of any major church or religion

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

They're worse. Crazier than any religion one can think of, backed by an army of lawyers that puts the MPAA to shame.


And yeah, the Wikipedia thing is entertaining. The decision to block all Scientology IP's was part of an arbitration case on site that led to no less than 50 editors being banned from editing Scientology articles or being blocked entirely. It was pretty much unprecedented in the site's history.

What's scientology's body count? They may be chock full of ######s and asshats, but you're allowed to do that as long as you don't kill anyone.

[Yasa]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

What's scientology's body count? They may be chock full of ######s and asshats, but you're allowed to do that as long as you don't kill anyone.

Scientology is still in it's infancy. Perhaps after 2000+ years, it could have a high body count. Who knows!

[SebC]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

What's scientology's body count? They may be chock full of ######s and asshats, but you're allowed to do that as long as you don't kill anyone.

Killing people is the only unacceptable behaviour for you?

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Yasa

Odd that they're advising women to get abortions. You'd think they would want to expand rather than contract.

that is just in the SeaOrg, that is where people are full time staff. If they have children they can't do their duties as well and it costs scientology more to pay for the upkeep of the children.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by drewboy12

I was dating a girl in Vancouver, and one day downtown we were bored. She asked if I wanted to go to the Scientology Museum... I told her it was a church.

she s*** bricks.

And that's when you break up with her because you realize you're with someone who things that the word Scientology = Science.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

And that's when you break up with her because you realize you're with someone who things that the word Scientology = Science.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

are their beliefs in some aliens, a volcano, and "thetans" really so different than an omnipotent being in the sky, a man that can walk on water and rise from the dead, or one man building a boat that could house 2 of every single species on Earth? and lets not get into the craziness that is the Mormon religion

i'm not taking the scientologists side or anything, i think they're a fraudulent organization that preys on the weak minded. but then again i think that of any major church or religion

The problem is you have to pay to know this stuff in scientology. and we are not talking about the sunday collection plate, we are talking tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars. And they lie to the people that join. The alien stuff doesn't come out untill you are well in with thousands of dollars. If you go to an org and ask they say that all the alien stuff is made up. But if you get deep enough in it is exactly what you read on the internet.by that time you spent time money and frustration.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

What's scientology's body count? They may be chock full of ######s and asshats, but you're allowed to do that as long as you don't kill anyone.

Go to :

http://www.xenu-directory.net/mirror...etheydead.net/

You tell me?

[RogerWilco]

One more great site with loits of videos.

http://www.xenutv.com/blog/

I have never been in Scientology, it just interested me a few years back and I did a bunch of research into it just for fun. It is a BAD, BAD organization. As far as I can tell.

One more link for the win.

http://www.xenu.net/

Do your own look into this don't take my word for it.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

Go to :

http://www.xenu-directory.net/mirror...etheydead.net/

You tell me?

Something tells me they have a long way to go before theyre in the same conversation as the Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, sikhs, even the Buddhists.

Are there some deplorable practices involved with Scientology? It seems that way. But how many kids killed themselves because they were gay and the church told them they were abominations?

If we're allowing one of these kooky belief structures, we have to allow for them all, especially with the lack of evidence of actual illegal activity. I mean, the catholic church had literally thousands of abuse cases on its hands, nothing much seemed to get done about it for a long time.

The whole thing isn't for me, and while there are obviously a fair share of bad apples, I'm sure the majority just do it because it makes them happy. So let them.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by SebC

Killing people is the only unacceptable behaviour for you?

Killing people, raping people, touching children, beating people up. Other than that, there isn't much, constitutionally speaking, I'm against. If they wanted to shoot up with crystal meth in the street to try and fight demons, I'd be fine with it as long as there was no collateral damage.