05-03-2024, 08:58 AM
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#781
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Speed overwhelmed the Jets. Sometimes teams just don't match up well and the Avs strengths were too much. They do that to a lot of teams.
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05-03-2024, 09:12 AM
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#782
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
They probably should have picked up only one of Toffoli or Monahan and went with a speedy defensive forward or Dman with another pickup.
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And didn't they play the two of them on the same line? That couldn't have been an overly fast line. I don't know enough about Niederreiter who I think was the other winger on that line.
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05-03-2024, 09:26 AM
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#783
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hyperbole Chamber
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
I forgot that the Avs are missing Drouin as well he had 56 points. 4th on the team.
Just ridiculous.
When was the last time a team had the best players at their position on the same team. Mackinnon is the best center in the the league, and Makar is the best defenceman in the league.
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Imagine if they had a #1 goalie!
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05-03-2024, 10:23 AM
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#784
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cape Breton Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by topfiverecords
Imagine if they had a #1 goalie!
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After game 1, George was 963, 917, 917, 933
Seems like #1 goaltender stats to me
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05-06-2024, 02:50 PM
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#786
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hyperbole Chamber
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Quote:
Originally Posted by White Out 403
After game 1, George was 963, 917, 917, 933
Seems like #1 goaltender stats to me
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Nobody, not even Georgiev himself, believes he can keep that up to be listed in a conversation of the top goalies in the league.
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05-06-2024, 03:00 PM
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#787
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by topfiverecords
Imagine if they had a #1 goalie!
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This is one team that seems like they can score their way to a championship, and they don't need the refs giving them 50 powerplays either.
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05-06-2024, 03:48 PM
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#788
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hyperbole Chamber
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
This is one team that seems like they can score their way to a championship, and they don't need the refs giving them 50 powerplays either.
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I think the point is, they're still not classified as a Cup lock because of Georgiev and if they had a Vasilevskiy tier goalie we'd all be making certain statements that it would be an upset if they didn't win.
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05-06-2024, 05:00 PM
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#789
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by White Out 403
After game 1, George was 963, 917, 917, 933
Seems like #1 goaltender stats to me
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It's almost like goalie stats are strongly correlated to how well the team plays (just like most stats)
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05-06-2024, 05:32 PM
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#790
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cape Breton Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
It's almost like goalie stats are strongly correlated to how well the team plays (just like most stats)
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GAA is. save %? I think that theres only so much variance you can get there with team play ahead of you
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05-06-2024, 05:41 PM
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#791
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by White Out 403
GAA is. save %? I think that theres only so much variance you can get there with team play ahead of you
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Save % is definitely correlated with how the team plays in front of the goalie. It's easier to save bad shots from the boards than a cross crease tap-in. That's why advanced stats in hockey focus so much on shot quality, especially for goalie stats. All traditional goalie stats (W, GAA, save %) are measures of team quality, not the individual goalie.
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05-06-2024, 07:31 PM
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#792
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cape Breton Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wireframe
Save % is definitely correlated with how the team plays in front of the goalie. It's easier to save bad shots from the boards than a cross crease tap-in. That's why advanced stats in hockey focus so much on shot quality, especially for goalie stats. All traditional goalie stats (W, GAA, save %) are measures of team quality, not the individual goalie.
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I cant find the post anymore but back in the Pavelec days, the bad old days, the Jets fans and me often debated how tied down to a team D save % is. A website some what like money puck suggested the variance from a bad team D to a good team D over a large sample size was no larger than 5 points (900 to 905 or 921 to 916)
Feel free to fact check me or provide better day (realizing Ive provided no source I get it).
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05-06-2024, 07:46 PM
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#793
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wireframe
Save % is definitely correlated with how the team plays in front of the goalie. It's easier to save bad shots from the boards than a cross crease tap-in. That's why advanced stats in hockey focus so much on shot quality, especially for goalie stats. All traditional goalie stats (W, GAA, save %) are measures of team quality, not the individual goalie.
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https://moneypuck.com/goalies.htm
Georgiev this playoff - Goals saved above expected: -1.8. Minus 1.8. Yeah that tracks.
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05-06-2024, 10:17 PM
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#794
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by White Out 403
I cant find the post anymore but back in the Pavelec days, the bad old days, the Jets fans and me often debated how tied down to a team D save % is. A website some what like money puck suggested the variance from a bad team D to a good team D over a large sample size was no larger than 5 points (900 to 905 or 921 to 916)
Feel free to fact check me or provide better day (realizing Ive provided no source I get it).
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So correlated, like I said.
And over a full season, the volatility would get averaged out. In a playoff series, a goalie's stats are largely defined by how well the team performs. Because in a playoff series, a team can dominate, or get rolled. But in the regular season, a team is going to play well for 20, play terrible for 20, and have the rest of the games be pretty even.
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05-07-2024, 06:05 AM
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#795
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cape Breton Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
So correlated, like I said.
And over a full season, the volatility would get averaged out. In a playoff series, a goalie's stats are largely defined by how well the team performs. Because in a playoff series, a team can dominate, or get rolled. But in the regular season, a team is going to play well for 20, play terrible for 20, and have the rest of the games be pretty even.
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Yes, and the least correlated of the goaltender stats. But over a shorter playoff series, I agree the correlation is stronger. I still am struggling to understand tho, are you saying that George was bad or average in games 2 thru 5?
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05-07-2024, 06:24 AM
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#796
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by White Out 403
Yes, and the least correlated of the goaltender stats. But over a shorter playoff series, I agree the correlation is stronger. I still am struggling to understand tho, are you saying that George was bad or average in games 2 thru 5?
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Very average. I think an ECHL goalie could have played goal and had same results. Jets were absolutely dominated and had very few quality chances.
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05-07-2024, 06:35 AM
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#797
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cape Breton Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache
Very average. I think an ECHL goalie could have played goal and had same results. Jets were absolutely dominated and had very few quality chances.
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I think you're confusing Colorado's unusually high amount of scoring chances with the Jets not producing their own. They did. For example I'll cite a Denver newspaper after game 2's Avs win
https://www.denverpost.com/2024/04/2...playoffs-save/
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Winnipeg had seven more shots on goal in Game 2, but the Jets were also credited with 10 more scoring chances and four more high-danger chances, according to Natural Stat Trick. They created more expected goals than Game 1 as well.
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05-07-2024, 03:17 PM
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#798
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by White Out 403
Yes, and the least correlated of the goaltender stats. But over a shorter playoff series, I agree the correlation is stronger. I still am struggling to understand tho, are you saying that George was bad or average in games 2 thru 5?
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I thought my comment was pretty clear. You posted some really strong numbers for Georgiev, to which I replied...
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It's almost like goalie stats are strongly correlated to how well the team plays
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In other words, when a team plays really well, and limits the time and space of the other team even when they are getting their scoring chances, then the goalie's stats are going to look better (unless he ####s the bed)
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05-07-2024, 05:35 PM
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#799
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cape Breton Island
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Ok well, feel free to be wrong I guess
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05-07-2024, 06:43 PM
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#800
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Franchise Player
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solid argument
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