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Old 03-28-2017, 02:33 PM   #21
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At a lower price, its not going to be a one year deal.
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Old 03-28-2017, 02:35 PM   #22
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Just no way he should be over 2 million. Preferably 1.5
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I would love to have Engelland back, but I think he has likely priced himself out of Calgary's market. The Flames cannot really afford term or dollars on what he is likely to command on the UFA market for their bottom pairing.
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Old 03-28-2017, 02:38 PM   #24
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Yeah, I'd be okay with that. I mean he is a decent (ish) bottom pairing Dman with some toughness. He does need to take a pay cut tho.
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Yeah, he's had an off year but he's bounced back in Calgary to re-establish himself in a top four role. 27 years old, UFA, top four blueliners.. he's not going to take a pay cut.
I get that this is Stone's first UFA contract, but you look at the one he's on right now... a one-year deal worth $4 million per season. Is it possible that he might've signed it recognizing that he was swapping out term for higher salary? In that case, could his salary maybe go down ever-so-slightly in exchange for a longer term, like 4-5 years?

Remember, when his current contract was signed, he was anchoring the Coyotes' top pairing with Oliver Ekman-Larsson. Ever since, he's been hurt, scratched, traded, been hurt again, and played well for about 15 games in a second-pairing role. Unless he has an unbelievable playoff, is it really all that unrealistic to expect a possible decrease in salary to coincide with his role decreasing?

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Michael Stone, but with all the troubles he's gone through this year, I'd think he might sign for ~3.5 for 4-5 years.
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Old 03-28-2017, 02:39 PM   #26
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I was hoping they were considering this. Always liked his play - yes contract was too much. He provides toughness and decent defense play when asked not to play too much. Some points here and there.
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No chance. Engelland has established himself as a reliable bottom pairing defenseman who can take occasional shifts or play games in the top four. He will be signing what is likely to be his last multi-year contract, and will be in high demand heading into unrestricted free agency.

Engelland is getting a raise.
A raise on $2.9 million a year?

If you are right, and I'd be shocked if you were, Tre needs to thank Engelland for 3 great years and wish him all the best in the future.
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Engelland strikes me as one of those guys that bring the glue to the room. He's a tough SOB that gives you a solid effort every night and he can be deployed in the bottom pairing without concern. In a division where we're still on the small side, I think you do all you can to keep him. He's going to have one helluva playoff beard too!
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I like the idea of bringing back Engelland if he's willing to take a 1 year deal for half of what he's currently making. I doubt he'd be willing to, but here's to hoping he will.
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Old 03-28-2017, 02:47 PM   #30
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We can allocate 5 million max towards Stone and Engelland in my opinion, which means one of them is almost definitely leaving (and the obvious one would be Engelland).

The definition of a great bottom pairing defenceman, but that's a pairing you should only be dedicating 2-3 million to as a whole.
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Old 03-28-2017, 02:49 PM   #31
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I would be a-ok with this, as long as:

a) it's a one-year deal
b) Stone is re-signed first for under $4 million

Four of the current top-six are signed through next year (Giordano, Brodie, Hamilton, Bartkowski) but Stone needs to be the higher priority.
Agree with this. Can't give a 35 year old 'off the glass and out' bottom pairing D term. When Engelland loses it, he will have nothing to offer an NHL team.

Stone is the priority - amazing how he's basically saved Brodie's season.
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I would love to have Engelland back, but I think he has likely priced himself out of Calgary's market. The Flames cannot really afford term or dollars on what he is likely to command on the UFA market for their bottom pairing.
Engelland will be 35 next week, I don't think he'll be able to get a raise on a 35+ contract. Maybe Tre can retain him with a creative bonus structure which he will now be eligible for?
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It's not typical for a UFA to take a pay cut. Engelland is probably gone.
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Old 03-28-2017, 02:52 PM   #34
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Also of note is Treliving is publicly stating that he ideally wants two kids in the top 7. One in the bottom pairing and one as the 7th d-man.

Hope the kids grab the opportunity.
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I get that this is Stone's first UFA contract, but you look at the one he's on right now... a one-year deal worth $4 million per season. Is it possible that he might've signed it recognizing that he was swapping out term for higher salary? In that case, could his salary maybe go down ever-so-slightly in exchange for a longer term, like 4-5 years?

Remember, when his current contract was signed, he was anchoring the Coyotes' top pairing with Oliver Ekman-Larsson. Ever since, he's been hurt, scratched, traded, been hurt again, and played well for about 15 games in a second-pairing role. Unless he has an unbelievable playoff, is it really all that unrealistic to expect a possible decrease in salary to coincide with his role decreasing?

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Michael Stone, but with all the troubles he's gone through this year, I'd think he might sign for ~3.5 for 4-5 years.
He'll garner 4-4.5 on the open market. Unless he takes a pay cut to stay here.
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I like the idea of bringing back Engelland if he's willing to take a 1 year deal for half of what he's currently making. I doubt he'd be willing to, but here's to hoping he will.
I agree with a player of his age, term needs to be a concern, but for those who are getting perscriptive on wanting a 1 year deal, can I ask why?

- Is it a concern that his game will fall off after next year?
- Is it a concern that he will get too much money, so you are hoping for short term (if so that's a money issue not a term issue)?

I get the fear of a long term commitment to a player of his age, but just seems odd that the shortest of contracts is all that would be acceptable to some.
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He'll garner 4-4.5 on the open market. Unless he takes a pay cut to stay here.
I think he might, considering that his wife is from here, he knows the city, and is in a good position on a very good team.

I'd be thrilled even with a 4x4 deal. I'm just concerned that wouldn't leave much room for Engelland... and I'm not sure I would trust Bartkowski with a kid on the third pairing next season.
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Old 03-28-2017, 02:56 PM   #38
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Engelland lives in Las Vegas during the off-season. I fully expect he signs with the Golden Knights (they're in a position to pay him handsomely as well). A veteran who has paid his dues in the minors is exactly the sort of character player the franchise needs.
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Interesting. I wonder if you could get Engelland for ~$2MM/season. I agree that you have essentially $5-$7MM to allocate on the 4 through 7 spots. Assuming two rookies on cheap ELC's that leaves you $5.5MM for the #4 & #5 spots. I think Stone and Engelland could be had for that combined.

But there's also interesting free agents out there, like Karl Alzner, for example.

Would you pay more for Alzner, at the risk of a weaker bottom pairing, or pay to have Stone + a proven 5-6 dman?
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I get that this is Stone's first UFA contract, but you look at the one he's on right now... a one-year deal worth $4 million per season. Is it possible that he might've signed it recognizing that he was swapping out term for higher salary? In that case, could his salary maybe go down ever-so-slightly in exchange for a longer term, like 4-5 years?

Remember, when his current contract was signed, he was anchoring the Coyotes' top pairing with Oliver Ekman-Larsson. Ever since, he's been hurt, scratched, traded, been hurt again, and played well for about 15 games in a second-pairing role. Unless he has an unbelievable playoff, is it really all that unrealistic to expect a possible decrease in salary to coincide with his role decreasing?

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Michael Stone, but with all the troubles he's gone through this year, I'd think he might sign for ~3.5 for 4-5 years.
I think his UFA status will dictate Stone's value above and beyond how his past performance has been measured against his current contract. All it takes is for a few motivated parties to show interest in adding him to their roster. If he is indeed a second pairing defenseman, then I have to think that at 27-years-old he will be entertaining figures in the +$4.0 m range on the open market. Top four defensemen command a premium in the NHL.
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