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Old 07-05-2017, 12:24 PM   #61
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nope and that's entirely fair.

I would expect that even indy work is different, in football its all positions.

So to give an example of practice planning


6:30 -6:40 warmup
6:40 - 7:00 Safe contact/safe tackling
7:00 - 7:35 - Indy positions

IE running backs
run to the hole
ball tackling
pass protect

7:45 - 8:00 - insertion
8:00 - 8:20 - scrimmage
8:20 - 8:30 special teams
8:30 cooldown

I would assume that with soccer the indy time or skills time would be way more prevalent wouldn't it?
First of all, holy crap are your practices long. 2 hours? We were lucky to get one hour so I'd tend to have the kids show up early so we get the warmups out of the way before we started our field time.

Individual skills werent as important because positions in soccer arent nearly as regimented as they are in Football especially at younger age groups.

Sometimes a kid gets hurt and you have someone totally unexpected playing in net or defence or as a striker.

Its less about learning your position and more about learning the flow of the game, that is until you get to higher age/skill levels and then its a different story because the goals are different.
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2 hours a night 4 nights a week until school and the season start, then its down to 3 nights a week and we cut a half hour off of practice.

Mostly from indy time because their skills should be good by then.
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Old 07-05-2017, 04:00 PM   #63
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THat is what i am doing now but my writing is only readable by me haha. I wasn't able to make a practice and my assistant coach couldn't read my plan so they scrimmaged for an hour.
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:02 PM   #64
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So just for fun, now that camp is done, and I have some downtime until the end of July and our next training camp. I've been playing around with a lot of different offensive looks, right now we run all of our plays out of multiple formations that give us different looks and feels,

We run an ace tight end balanced, trips, we run bunch, and we run a tight that almost looks like a wishbone. We also run an I strong.

So here's the rub, I don't have a lot of experience at the skills position, that's fine and most of our plays are pretty standard.

But I always like to have something special that I can insert when I need it, that's why I have one version of my playbook and the players and other coaches have the standardized version. My playbook has everything I've ever thought of in it.

Last year, I watched the US Naval Academy play and I loved their offense, its based on a triple option, which puts the onus on the QB to make good decisions and make reads. Now like I mentioned, inexperienced QB, so I might teach him some read option this year. But I'd love to be able to pull out something unexpected at some point whether this year or next year.

So even if you don't coach football, or are a casual football fan. I'm going to give a base look and a couple of plays and you can tell me if I'm nuts or if this is way too complex. This is basically I'm bouncing this off of you guys to help me think this through post

First of all the base look



Notes

My tight end will always line up on the strong run side of the field unless its a pass play. I can run this under center or pistol. There is very little motion.

one option plays (pass or run plays) are rare, most plays have the option for the QB to either pass, hand off, toss or take the ball and go.

Ok play one

Triple Option Veer 33 lead dive



Notes

The Quarterbacks main read is the left side Tight End. If the left side TE makes a crash to the 3 back, then the QB takes the ball out of the three backs chest and has the option to either run out the end, or toss to the four back. If the DE shoots for the QB or stays in contain the QB gives the ball to the 3 back who follows the lead through the two hole.

This play can also be reversed and becomes a triple option veer 42 lead dive

Ok so in terms of something more complex. a Option can have elements of pass and run. So this play would be called a

Triple Option Veer (undercenter of pistol) 87 TE Arrow, 4-3 37 option toss.



So basically

X runs an 8
Y runs a 7
The TE runs a modified arrow and is lined up on the run strong side.
The 4 runs a modified 3
The 2 back is backside pass protect
the three back runs a toss sweep to the 7 hole.

So here's the decision, the offensive tackle ignores the left side DE. The QB needs to read him. If he crashes, the the QB has the option to take the ball and run, or toss to the 3.

If de contains, the QB has the option to stay in and pass, the 3 back can now act as a swing pass as well.

Ok last one

This is the triple option pistol 26 counter 37 option toss



Ok, I think this almost has to be run pistol

The 2 back is going to run a counter motion in front of the QB so its a forward ride and decide handoff. The left guard is going to pull. At the start both ends are left alone. The QB's first read is to the counter side (right side). If the defensive end contains up field then the counter is the play and the hand off happens, the pulling guard needs to clear out the DE. If the DE crashes to running back or QB, then the QB reads the left side DE end on the move and decides to hang onto the ball and the 3 back then lead blocks to the first opportunity. Or if the left DE steps to the QB (the 5 technique is tough at our level because kids are impatient). Then the QB tosses to the 3 back to the 7 hole.

Anyways, its something I'm working on, I might not even get it to my play book or rotation this year, but I'd love to know if you guys think . . . right track or too nuts.

Holy the play names seem overly complicated... not sure if that is what you call them or how they are called by the QB in the huddle... This is coming from the Cowboys second ever QB!!!

For Bantam aged kids does it make more sense to give the plays a simpler name and teach the players their individual responsibilities?

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to be critical just trying to understand... When I played plays were things like 28 Sweep or Double Dive right... still complex plays but made it easier on the players - especially young players - to remember and know responsibilities...
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Nope that's fair feedback.

This offensive set is outside of my normal playbook. Normally our play calls are simple.

Usually the play calls are started with the formation, and then whether its pistol or under center.

Then on run plays its the back and what hole.

So for example

I formation under center 32 lead dive.

Or

Ace formation pistol 48 jet

Or if its a trips right run play something like

Ace formation right under center 21 dive.

For passing plays, same idea.

formation undercenter/pistol the quick means a three step drop with no play action then the four passing routes from left to right.

So a all 5's balance would be

Ace formation pistol quick 5555

If its trips right

Ace formation right quick pistol 5555.

If we're for example running a balanced ace with a tight end arrow. It would be

Ace formation pistol quick 5555 TE right.

Or a HB out left would be

Ace formation pistol quick 5555 hb left

It there's a play action element for example like a 3 back fake to the 3 hole

It would be

Ace formation pistol action 33 5555.

The kids seem to like that because they don't have to memorize plays, they have to know their position label and the line knows the holes.

The advantage of the option is that there are really only 4 plays that I would run.

But you're right the call is complex

Its formation, line assignment, under center or pistol, then the wide receiver assignments. Then the individual backs assignments. So

Triple Option Veer (undercenter of pistol) 87 TE Arrow, 4-3 37 option toss.

the formation call is apparent

Veer means that the line veers to the left (3 hole) the 87 are the X and Y receiver routes. the 4-3 means that the 4 back is the option back to the 3 hole. the 3 back toss motions to the 7 hole and the QB has already been taught the read progressions for this to work.

But you're right, it does need work.

The likely hood is that we're going to run our normal offense, because we can basically run about 50 easy plays with different formations, so it looks like 150 plays. We had a lot of success with that playbook last year. The kids really liked it as well.

There's a couple of teams that the veer option would really exploit what they're doing. That's the temptation.
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Well, the off season went by in a hurry and the season starts up tomorrow. With a minimum of 13 weeks and a maximum of 16 weeks things are about to get busy.

With a offense that's made of 3 veterans and 13 rookies, it should be an interesting challenge.

Thankfully, and I wouldn't have said this last year, I have the month of August with about 4 nights a week to insert the offense. Last year with a veteran laden offense it was easy, this year it basically starts with me holding up a football and saying "This is a football".

I think that there will be a ton of challenges this year as we have to develop a QB who has never played the position, a offensive line that might not be overly big, but I'm pretty sure that we'll figure it out. I'm excited by some of the raw talent.

I always go into the season thinking that this is about more then just x's and o's and developing football players. If we can build up some confidence, and instill some dicipline and personal pride then the record doesn't matter as much (Ok, the record does matter).
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Well, the off season went by in a hurry and the season starts up tomorrow. With a minimum of 13 weeks and a maximum of 16 weeks things are about to get busy.

With a offense that's made of 3 veterans and 13 rookies, it should be an interesting challenge.

Thankfully, and I wouldn't have said this last year, I have the month of August with about 4 nights a week to insert the offense. Last year with a veteran laden offense it was easy, this year it basically starts with me holding up a football and saying "This is a football".

I think that there will be a ton of challenges this year as we have to develop a QB who has never played the position, a offensive line that might not be overly big, but I'm pretty sure that we'll figure it out. I'm excited by some of the raw talent.

I always go into the season thinking that this is about more then just x's and o's and developing football players. If we can build up some confidence, and instill some dicipline and personal pride then the record doesn't matter as much (Ok, the record does matter).
That is what I say every season. Win or lose lets help the kids grow but the record always matters. I try not to make it influence my decisions but it can be hard at times.
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That is what I say every season. Win or lose lets help the kids grow but the record always matters. I try not to make it influence my decisions but it can be hard at times.

Record/results don't matter. The process is what matters.

If the process is correct the results will come.
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Record/results don't matter. The process is what matters.

If the process is correct the results will come.
I agree and that is my approach but at times the desire to win can be strong.
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I've already had to adjust my coaching style over the first couple of days.

Its far different coaching a team of second year players because they're physically more developed, they know the language and understand football 101. They've also seen the competition.

Right now, I have mostly wide eyed rookies, some that have come from Peewee some that have never played before.

So after day one in which our Veteran laden defense pretty much chewed up the offense which was running base plays. We had to step right back to football 101 alignment and assignment. We have to slow down the playbook insertion and go back to putting up a garbage can defense and going through every ones role in every base play.

We can't lose our tempers as coaches when kids can't execute or flub up, we have to remind them that this is day 2 of a long over the season process.

I went back to my defensive playbook from a decade ago when I coached high school ball.

The goal is an escalator that we have to put these kids on.

We have to take the technique poor and inexperience kids and make them football players

We have to take the football players and make them starters

We have to take the Starters and make them standouts.

We have to take the standouts and make them stars.

Everything comes down in football to motor and knowledge. We have to develop both.

The other thing that we as coaches tend to forget because our playing time is so long ago, is that when we first stepped on the field at each level the game was moving faster then it ever has, all sorts of stuff is happening at high speed. At some point though in one play everything will slow down to a crawl and you'll be able to be aware of more of whats happening.

In our interview with Kamar Jordan a few weeks back, he talked about the biggest change for him was being able to play fast. Because his football knowledge was so developed this year he didn't have to think about what he was doing, he could just do it at a high tempo.

I needed to remind myself that I need to be a lot more patient this year.
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Well after 2 weeks of practice we have the Jamboree tomorrow. It should be interesting especially with a pretty much all rookie offense.

For a few it will be their first football game in pads ever. For the other ones who played PeeWee, its will be their first exposure to a faster and harder hitting football then they're used to, and they're going to learn that the things that worked in PeeWee simply don't work here, and some of the bad habits that they picked up there are erased by a hyper athletic linebacker with blazing speed and a higher understanding of the game.

The fear is always the same, how many players take that first hit and decide that football isn't their thing.

I always expect some injuries in the Jamboree because realistically its their first true contact scrimmage at full speed.

I don't really care about how many touchdowns I put up on the board, tomorrow isn't about scouting and game planning the opposition and winning the Jamboree, its about finding out what you really have and evaluating your players in a real game situation.

And that, I'm worried about.
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