08-16-2017, 12:49 PM
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#41
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I'd be looking forward to the Oiler apogist spinning this one ...
6 weeks ago: 8x7 a fair deal
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A fair contract for Leon Draisaitl? Eight years at $7.0 million per year.
A generous contract? Eight years at $7.5 million.
A very generous contract? Eight years at $7.8 million.
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08-16-2017, 12:50 PM
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#42
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Locke
I must be one of the only people as yet unconvinced by Draisaitl.
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I'm with you. I still think Draisaitl had an inflated year last year playing with McDavid, and guy will come back down to earth a bit this upcoming season now that the pressure is on. I guess I could be wrong, but the memory of his dreadful first year is still lingering for me.
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08-16-2017, 12:50 PM
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#43
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
That is the issue here for the Oilers.
He is paid like a "top 10" point producing line driver now but has never produced at that level away from McDavid.
Will be interesting to see if he succeeds when on his own line next year.
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The Oilers will find a way. If they can come up with 6 Giordanos they can probably come up with 2 or 3 McDavids.
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08-16-2017, 12:50 PM
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#44
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Franchise Player
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Oilers still have brutal defensive depth as well after Klefbom and Larsson(and I don't think either of them are true #1s. Klefbom maybe could get to that point as a lowerish end #1)
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08-16-2017, 12:51 PM
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#45
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by Fire in the disco
I'd rather have Monahan than Drai, and that's before salaries are taken into account. This feels like a big overpay for a guy who hasn't proven that he can carry a line by himself
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Hahaha! This is Edmontont! Proof? You want proof?!? Why? Edmonton pays for potential!
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08-16-2017, 12:52 PM
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#46
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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In a vacuum, he's only worth that money and term if he's had a second season like the past one. Not nearly enough of a sample size to open the bank like that . He's a decent player and had that top 10 potential, but really left the Oilers no choice, but didn't show a lot in his first or second season thet makes one think that he's the 1b threat ala Malkin or Toews that Oiler fans and the slobbering media will yell to whoever will listen.
Welcome to cap hell with another set of slug defenseman which is all they can afford. Talbot is going to see a lot of pucks again, and coincidentally, he's the one that has to be paid next, and is worth more than Draisital.
Last edited by browna; 08-16-2017 at 12:55 PM.
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08-16-2017, 12:54 PM
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#47
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Norm!
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Adjusted from yesterday
2018-2019 season
McDavid 12.5
RNH 6
Lucic 6
JP 3.425 (inc bonus)
Kassian 1.950
Draisaitl 8.5
Kharia .675
Total signed forwards 7 total cap 39.05
RFA
Strome
Slepyshev
Caggiula
Pakarinen
UFA
Letestu
Maroon
Jokinen
Defense
Sekera 5.5
Klefbom 4.167
Larson 4.167
Russell 5
Total defense 4 signed 18.834
Goalies
Talbot 4.167
Total goalies signed 4.167
RFA
Broissent
Total players signed 12 total cap hit 62.051
The current cap for 2017-208 is $75 million, lets say it goes to 77 million, that leaves 14.949
for 8 to 9 players
That also currently leaves them with a lineup line this
Lucic McDavid Draisaitl
Kharia RNH JP
______ ______ Kassian
______ ______ ______
Sekera Larson
Klefbom Russell
_______ ______
Talbot
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08-16-2017, 12:56 PM
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#48
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12
Oilers still have brutal defensive depth as well after Klefbom and Larsson(and I don't think either of them are true #1s. Klefbom maybe could get to that point as a lowerish end #1)
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Remember that Sekera is gone until Jan of this year.
that defense could be atrocious, as it stands Talbot really covered for them last year by saving a lot of This guy scored moments.
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08-16-2017, 12:57 PM
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#49
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
I'd be looking forward to the Oiler apogist spinning this one ...
6 weeks ago: 8x7 a fair deal
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David Staples
"As for the $9 million that his camp is reportedly asking, well, agents are doing their job when they ask for a ton of money and try to drum up interest from other teams to make an RFA offer sheet for their client. But NHL general managers are doing their job when they come up with a list of reasonable comparables for an RFA, see what is fair in the market, and stick to what is fair-to-generous, as opposed to caving in to aggressive agents."
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I guess the agent wins.
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08-16-2017, 01:00 PM
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#50
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Just me or are contracts completely insane the past 1-2 years?
Lockout looming for sure.
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08-16-2017, 01:02 PM
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#51
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow
Just me or are contracts completely insane the past 1-2 years?
Lockout looming for sure.
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I dont know. I do find some to be way out there but in fairness I expected that we'd have to pay Monahan and Gaudreau a lot more than we currently do. Their contracts came in way under what I would have expected.
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08-16-2017, 01:03 PM
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#52
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
McDavid/Draisaitl at $21M or Johnny/Money at $13? We can literally afford an extra star player.
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You can almost afford a Draisaitl with that type of cap difference.
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08-16-2017, 01:05 PM
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#53
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Norm!
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(AP) The Toronto Maple Leafs released a statement after the Oilers signed Leon Draisaitl to a long term 8.5 million per year contract. The Statement simply reads "Thanks man, thanks a lot"
Followed by
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08-16-2017, 01:05 PM
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#54
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by CMPunk
I miss the days of 3 year contracts and Free Agents being the guys who get paid.
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In a salary cap world, it makes sense to pay your best players the most money, instead of giving veterans a compensation package for things they've done in the past.
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08-16-2017, 01:06 PM
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#55
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
I guess the agent wins.
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Staples failed as the management mouthpiece. Thst column has hints of Lowe's theories throughout, too.
Full steam ahead now on the unlimited ceiling for the Oilers hype in the press for the next 2 months. Larson and Klef will be desperately talked up as the next Nidermeyer, in hopes of instilling false confidence in them.
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08-16-2017, 01:06 PM
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#56
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Talbot is a UFA in two years which means they will likely be discussing an extension this season. He's up for a healthy raise. You have to think their window starts to close after the next two seasons.
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Their window will always be open as long as McDavid is on there along with Talbot backpacking the rest of the team. The question is how well they can execute as long as they have those players.
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08-16-2017, 01:07 PM
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#57
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow
Just me or are contracts completely insane the past 1-2 years?
Lockout looming for sure.
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I think GM's are becoming more desperate. Few GM's seem to be willing to stand their ground and truth be told most realize they won't be around on the tail half of these long term deals so they are willing to look the other way when handing out these massive 7/8 year deals.
Just look at what the Oilers are paying their top players now and how little room the have to supplement their small core of players. We are talking about a team that is coming off their first playoff appearance in 11 years and they are throwing around money like a team that has reached their goals of winning a cup. It's kind of crazy what they are doing given plenty of teams have regressed after a coming out season.
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08-16-2017, 01:10 PM
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#58
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
McDavid/Draisaitl at $21M or Johnny/Money at $13? We can literally afford an extra star player.
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In a decent decent for all players you'd get probably 30-35 more points out of the Edmonton duo. $8 million for that difference. Wow...
I guess that's the premium you pay just to have a superstar name on your team. Poor suckers.
I'm liking the Flames chances at having a more well rounded and deeper team over the next number of years. And it's already no competition on defense.
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08-16-2017, 01:13 PM
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#59
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Canada
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McDavid, Draisatl - 21 million
Gaudreau, Monahan, Hamilton, Brodie - 23.5 Million
Well done Treliving, well done!
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08-16-2017, 01:13 PM
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#60
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Talbot is a UFA in two years which means they will likely be discussing an extension this season. He's up for a healthy raise. You have to think their window starts to close after the next two seasons.
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With McDavid entering his prime years (mid 20s) after the next two seasons - its hard to understand how their window will close then. Its OK to pretend he isn't going to be able to lift a team close to a championship, but in all likelihood that is what he is going to do. Its back to the the 1980s for the BOA. Can the Flames assemble an all-around better line up to beat the Oilers who have the best player in the NHL. Game on.
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