Welp, Treliving got fleeced. I don't really understand how you manage to pay anything for Smith at 75%. At 50% he's a liability. Seriously, this is a replacement level goaltender that they're paying 4.5 million for. Why? Sign Curtis McElhinney for $1m and you've probably got a better goalie. Hell, sign Steve Mason and you're much better off, still for less money I'm sure.
This is stupid. That's the only word necessary to describe it.
I total agree with you and it's nice to see so one else speaking up and telling their TRUE feelings. I know many are too "scared" or "shy" or have "fear" to say how they really feel about the trade cause they don't want the backlash from the clique
I total agree with you and it's nice to see so one else speaking up and telling their TRUE feelings. I know many are too "scared" or "shy" or have "fear" to say how they really feel about the trade cause they don't want the backlash from the clique
Right. Because everyone who disagrees with you is only saying so out of fear of… of what exactly? That some anonymous yahoos on the Internet will hurt their widdle feewings? Oh, the humanity!
Good grief.
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You know someone is overreacting like a preteen when they think our new goalie will cause a playoff team that had bad goaltending for half the year to suddenly be a lottery team.
Grow up friend, you're embarrassing yourself
I complained about the trade, I don't and haven't resorted to personal attacks of other members because they don't agree with me. "I'm embarrassing myself?" Please. ""Grow up, friend" Why? Because I don't like the trade and I think we are gonna have a bad season? It's my opinion and Because you're against my personal opinion, I should "grow up?" Maybe you should take your own advice and not resort to personal attacks?
Well Mike Smith had the better single season between the two.
I think over their careers there isn't much to separate them.
Halak at .917% and Smith at .913% over their careers.
Yeah the thing is that although SV% is better as a stat than GAA it still has it's flaws when comparing goalies on good teams vs bad teams. Additionally even certain systems result in variations among stats. Imagine a goalie playing for the Jacques Lemaire MIN Wild where they play an all out defensive style and keep shots to the outside. Goalies in MIN under Lemaire had their SV% flourish. Compare that to a goalie playing for an offensive DAL Stars team with a poor defense. SV% is not independent of team results. Your SV% will go up playing for a stronger team and go down playing for a weaker team. Your SV% will go up playing for a team that encourages many shots from the outside/boards and not much else. Your SV% will go down playing for a team that has some high risk offensive defensemen who allow odd man rushes against. Smith has played for one of the worst teams in the league for the past many years. It's going to affect his numbers. IMO he'd probably have extremely impressive numbers had he been playing behind the NSH defense and forwards instead of the ARI defense and forwards last year. You don't think Price's numbers would take a dip playing for ARI of the past couple years?
Case in point Antti Niemi, an adequate goalie that played on some powerhouses. SV% from .912 to .924 the years he played for CHI/SJ. Put him on a DAL team with a crap defense and he posts .905 and .892. Hockey is a team game. Goalie stats are influenced by team defense. Halak is like a Niemi to me.
Smith's stats are going to look worse on ARI then they would on a playoff team. When ARI was a playoff team Smith had Vezina calibre goalie stats (http://thehockeywriters.com/vezina-t...s-pekka-rinne/). And they weren't even a powerhouse team, they were a mediocre team whose best player was arguably Smith. For the past bunch of seasons Smith has been playing for one of the worst rosters in the league, basically EDM Oilers South. Despite this his stats are comparable to players who play on better teams. That's a good sign. Halak has played for better teams in his career than Smith. If he was as good of a goalie his stats should be a lot better than Smith's.
I dunno from having watched them Smith is a goalie who I've seen put in a lot of game stealing performances. I don't remember the same from Halak, I remember mediocrity, passable goaltending. Smith is older but reportedly in strong shape. I'd gamble on Smith over Halak, higher upside IMO.
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I'm complain up the trade, I don't and haven't resort to personal attacks of other members because they don't agree with me. "I'm embarrassing myself?" Please. ""Grow up, friend" Why? Because I don't like te trade and I think we are gonna have a bad season? It's my opinion ad Beaune you're against my personal opinion, I should "grow up?" Maybe you should take your own advice and not resort to personal attacks?
Calling those who don't mind the trade too scared or shy or fearful is kind of a personal attack IMO. Maybe they just have a different opinion. Funny thing is that a lot of them have a lot more reasons set out in their posts than you.
In earlier threads you said it was MAF or the off-season was a failure. That was never going to happen. So you set yourself up for disappointment.
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I total agree with you and it's nice to see so one else speaking up and telling their TRUE feelings. I know many are too "scared" or "shy" or have "fear" to say how they really feel about the trade cause they don't want the backlash from the clique
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Right. Because everyone who disagrees with you is only saying so out of fear of… of what exactly? That some anonymous yahoos on the Internet will hurt their widdle feewings? Oh, the humanity!
Good grief.
i am sure that a poll will show that the people that "love" the trade and those that "hate" the trade will make up a very small % of the votes...
Overwhelmingly, most people will fall into the 'wait and see' category...
there's been no shortage of people putting out their feelings on this board in general, so the idea that people are "holding back" for "fear" of having their opinion challenged is asinine...
its a game... people losing their minds over the trade need to step back from the ledge.
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i am sure that a poll will show that the people that "love" the trade and those that "hate" the trade will make up a very small % of the votes...
Overwhelming, most people will fall into the 'wait and see' category...
there's been no shortage of people putting out their feelings on this board in general, so the idea that people are "holding back" for "fear" of having their opinion challenged is asinine...
its a game... people losing their minds over the trade need to step back from the ledge.
This. Treliving's worst moves have not been monumental failures. His best moves have been very positive.
thanks. missed that... and again, there's no shortage of people that don't like the trade either... but they are the minority to the indifferent and the 'good' votes.
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This. Treliving's worst moves have not been monumental failures. His best moves have been very positive.
Agreed... was it a homerun? no... but every trade out there had question marks surrounding it... that's why these guys were available in the first place....
would have guys like Mason or Halak been cheaper to acquire? probably... but there wouldn't be anymore certainty with them either...they were available for a reason afterall.
would Raanta been a more lauded trade? probably, but we have no idea what the acquisition cost would have been either, though i think its pretty safe to guess it would have been equal to or more than Smith... and still no certainty of being a true number 1 either.
Smith has been a number one for a big chunk of his career... it remains to be seen if he is regressing...As a stop gap solution, its not awful... it depends on whether you agree with that as a strategy
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I dunno from having watched them Smith is a goalie who I've seen put in a lot of game stealing performances. I don't remember the same from Halak, I remember mediocrity, passable goaltending. Smith is older but reportedly in strong shape. I'd gamble on Smith over Halak, higher upside IMO.
This is simply an absurd post. Halak stole consecutive playoff series from the President's Trophy winning team Capitals and then the defending champion Penguins. He nearly knocked off Holtby and the Caps and in 2015, ultimately losing a nailbiter to an amazing unforgettable goal by Kuznetsov. He was the only reason Team Europe was in the final at the world cup, and nearly beat Canada singlehandedly if not for the fact 5hat Canada was a superteam of epic proportions and Europe was Halak, Kopitar, Hossa, and a bunch of nobodies.. All that is on top of a perennially higher SV% than Smith.
Your size bias is the only thing I read when i read your comments on Halak. His upside is nearly unstoppable #1 goalie.
The risk with Halak is health not ability.
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