06-24-2017, 07:05 PM
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#6881
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timbo
I guess time will tell but I'm guessing 6.8 X 6 but if The Oil want to pay him 8 who am I to question Oiler management wisdom.
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If he isn't signed by July 1, some GM will throw an offer of $8 million plus at him for 6 or 8 years that Edmonton will have to match, if they don't they are in trouble, and if they do they are in cap trouble.
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06-24-2017, 07:32 PM
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#6882
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Realistic
If he isn't signed by July 1, some GM will throw an offer of $8 million plus at him for 6 or 8 years that Edmonton will have to match, if they don't they are in trouble, and if they do they are in cap trouble.
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Treliving should do it just for spite. He won't. But he should.
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06-24-2017, 07:49 PM
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#6883
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Central Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Realistic
If he isn't signed by July 1, some GM will throw an offer of $8 million plus at him for 6 or 8 years that Edmonton will have to match, if they don't they are in trouble, and if they do they are in cap trouble.
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Oh, I so hope this happens. Pay stupid smug Kevin Lowe back for screwing the salary scale for second contracts!!!
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06-24-2017, 07:53 PM
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#6884
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Franchise Player
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Chia remains Treliving's bitch.
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06-24-2017, 07:54 PM
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#6885
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oil Stain
Oilers were 9th in the league in shots against.
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So what? Talbot faced more shots than any other goalie last year, which was what CC said.
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06-24-2017, 07:55 PM
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#6886
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Near Fish Creek
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Realistic
If he isn't signed by July 1, some GM will throw an offer of $8 million plus at him for 6 or 8 years that Edmonton will have to match, if they don't they are in trouble, and if they do they are in cap trouble.
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When was the last offer sheet? They are rare.
I believe only the club you are signed to can offer an 8 year contract.
I would love to see the Grease in cap hell. I just don't see this happening for Leon D.
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06-24-2017, 08:33 PM
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#6887
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timbo
When was the last offer sheet? They are rare.
I believe only the club you are signed to can offer an 8 year contract.
I would love to see the Grease in cap hell. I just don't see this happening for Leon D.
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I'm assuming the oilers want term, so a shorter term offer sheet works against them as teams may be willing to offer the same annual salary in a shorter term, which the player might jump at because it gets them to UFA earlier and younger. In that case all the oilers can do is match the offer and then potentially lose the player a year or two earlier. (Can't remember if the offer sheet term limit is 6 or 7 years)
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06-24-2017, 08:37 PM
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#6888
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Treliving should do it just for spite. He won't. But he should.
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I'm not sure we could even do this now, considering we don't have a 1st round pick next year.
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06-24-2017, 08:39 PM
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#6889
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Near Fish Creek
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iggy_oi
I'm assuming the oilers want term, so a shorter term offer sheet works against them as teams may be willing to offer the same annual salary in a shorter term, which the player might jump at because it gets them to UFA earlier and younger. In that case all the oilers can do is match the offer and then potentially lose the player a year or two earlier. (Can't remember if the offer sheet term limit is 6 or 7 years)
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An offer sheet is possible but is it probable? Again not in this instance IMO.
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06-24-2017, 08:41 PM
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#6890
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iggy_oi
I'm assuming the oilers want term, so a shorter term offer sheet works against them as teams may be willing to offer the same annual salary in a shorter term, which the player might jump at because it gets them to UFA earlier and younger. In that case all the oilers can do is match the offer and then potentially lose the player a year or two earlier. (Can't remember if the offer sheet term limit is 6 or 7 years)
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Now that you mention it, other teams can offer 7 years, the current team can offer 8 if I remember the talk last summer.
Im not sure teams are looking at what would be best, but what would screw the Oilers the most.
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06-24-2017, 08:47 PM
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#6891
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Right behind you.
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Hasn't Chia said he would match any offer sheet on Draisaitl?
If McDavid is after $14MM per annum and someone forces them into an $8MM AAV on Draisaitl they will be on the highway to cap hell.
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06-24-2017, 08:52 PM
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#6892
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Near Fish Creek
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudfather
Hasn't Chia said he would match any offer sheet on Draisaitl?
If McDavid is after $14MM per annum and someone forces them into an $8MM AAV on Draisaitl they will be on the highway to cap hell.
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Isn't the highest salary 15% of cap which at 75 million is 11.25?
Dam getting off topic here.
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Last edited by Timbo; 06-24-2017 at 08:55 PM.
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06-24-2017, 08:55 PM
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#6893
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Right behind you.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timbo
Isn't the highest salary 15% of cap which at 75 million is 11.25?
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I believe the cap is 20% which means $15mm.
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06-24-2017, 09:00 PM
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#6894
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timbo
An offer sheet is possible but is it probable? Again not in this instance IMO.
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I think it makes more sense this year than usual, actually. Edmonton is vulnerable because both McDavid and Draisaitl need new contracts in the next two years. An offer sheet made to one might not result in acquiring the player, but it could then push the team into a much more difficult position to protect the other.
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06-24-2017, 09:01 PM
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#6895
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudfather
I believe the cap is 20% which means $15mm.
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This is the correct answer.
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06-24-2017, 10:12 PM
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#6896
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
So what? Talbot faced more shots than any other goalie last year, which was what CC said.
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But its not what he implied.
Total shots against just means the goalie played a lot of games. Just like the goalie with the record for most losses is just a good goalie with good longevity.
Shots against per game along with shot attempts and shot danger zone should be what we are looking at.
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06-24-2017, 10:48 PM
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#6897
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GGG
But its not what he implied.
Total shots against just means the goalie played a lot of games. Just like the goalie with the record for most losses is just a good goalie with good longevity.
Shots against per game along with shot attempts and shot danger zone should be what we are looking at.
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It really needs to be emphasized that the number of games a goalie plays in a season is very important. Talbot played too many games last season. Goalies who lead their teams deep into the playoffs don't play as much as Talbot did.
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06-24-2017, 10:52 PM
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#6898
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Franchise Player
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One would think a GM may be interested in a 5 year 37.5 million dollar offer sheet for Draisaitl. That would cost a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd, which is not much for a guy like Draisaitl. In the last year of the contract, if he continues to be a 70+ point player, you can probably recoup the 1st and 2nd on a deadline deal if you want, in which case it would cost you a 3rd round pick to grab Leon for the previous 4 and a half years, plus cap space (whatever value you put on slightly over paying him). Not sure why a team would not consider that type of contract.
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06-25-2017, 12:30 AM
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#6899
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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I always find salary propositions from Oiler fans to be hilarious.
"McDavid and Draisaitl should look at similar comparables like Toews and Kane, these are guys that took less money to win."
No...these were guys who won on their ELCs or bridge deals, thats an entirely different animal.
"Why cant the Oilers be the next Chicago or Pittsburgh?"
Well....because you pissed away important contract years through incompetence and because you failed to round out your roster with inexpensive but productive help....because of incompetence.
Anyone else seeing the trend here?
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06-25-2017, 12:55 AM
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#6900
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Chicago
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarongavey
One would think a GM may be interested in a 5 year 37.5 million dollar offer sheet for Draisaitl. That would cost a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd, which is not much for a guy like Draisaitl. In the last year of the contract, if he continues to be a 70+ point player, you can probably recoup the 1st and 2nd on a deadline deal if you want, in which case it would cost you a 3rd round pick to grab Leon for the previous 4 and a half years, plus cap space (whatever value you put on slightly over paying him). Not sure why a team would not consider that type of contract.
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Right, but I expect the Oilers are prepared to pay him 7.5 per. Not sure why they wouldn't be prepared for that.
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