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Old 07-14-2017, 03:33 PM   #6261
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It's just.. Too much. America has reached peak stupid.
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It's just.. Too much. America has reached peak stupid.
lol. you'd think so, but I think there is room for even more stupid. the peak has yet to come.
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Old 07-14-2017, 03:51 PM   #6264
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the president of the united states, ladies and gentlemen.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...e-bit-stranger
soo...a fence then?
Really sounds like he's prepping everyone for a fence that they already have.
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That was literally the stupidest idea the president has had since this wall business started.

Who actually runs the Trump businesses. It really can be Trump or his family.
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Old 07-14-2017, 05:56 PM   #6266
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Trump was never cool though.
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That was literally the stupidest idea the president has had since this wall business started.

Who actually runs the Trump businesses. It really can be Trump or his family.
Cyber-security partnership with Russia was stupider.
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Old 07-15-2017, 06:43 AM   #6269
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If Trump were to be impeached, and removed from office, I have absolutely no doubt the US is headed to Civil War.

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Old 07-15-2017, 08:50 AM   #6270
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Hah, Reebok's tweet commenting on Trump's comment to Marcon's wife:

In case you were wondering when it IS appropriate to say, "You're in such good shape...beautiful,"... THIS:
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If Trump were to be impeached, and removed from office, I have absolutely no doubt the US is headed to Civil War.


Not a chance, as has been discussed in this thread the demographics of the US is not one that could support a civil war.

All the people who would be the angriest and the ones who would most want to participate in violence have mortgages to pay, children to feed, and jobs to go to on Monday. You'd probably see protests and lone-wolf actions but nothing that could be sustained in any meaningful way.

Also, the military has a complete monopoly on heavy weapons in the US. No militia, no matter how large and well trained, could stand up to artillery. The only possible way there is a civil war in the States is if entire brigade-or-larger units of the US military start shooting at each other.
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Yeah the fact that the US military can kill every American without firing a single bullet because of chemical and biological weapons means the notion of any sort of uprising is horribly misguided. Any coup type event will be the same as every other country, the military will initiate it. That's why the argument that lax gun laws are needed because "government tyranny" is beyond absurd. Stockpile all the AR-15s you want, the military has weaponry that is far, far more advanced.
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If Trump were to be impeached, and removed from office, I have absolutely no doubt the US is headed to Civil War.
You don't have much faith in our American friends, and you have far, far too much faith in anyone's devotion to Donald Trump.

Even his own children wouldn't pick up arms to defend his presidency. Only the craziest, most deluded citizens would put their life on the line for this uninspiring, ineffectual man. It's not like he stands for lofty ideals or is considered a great leader or even a good person.
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Yeah the fact that the US military can kill every American without firing a single bullet because of chemical and biological weapons means the notion of any sort of uprising is horribly misguided. Any coup type event will be the same as every other country, the military will initiate it. That's why the argument that lax gun laws are needed because "government tyranny" is beyond absurd. Stockpile all the AR-15s you want, the military has weaponry that is far, far more advanced.
That's something that always gets me. Whenever I bring it up elsewhere, folks are always "Oh, the military would NEVER attack it's own citizens! You are a fool to think as much! The military would never follow those orders, and would attack their Commanders instead!"

At that point, I just shake my head and move on from the conversation as it's not worth it.
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More bad news for the GOP health care bill. Not that this is all that surprising.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ap-ma...orkable-2017-7

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The criticism was lodged in an unusual joint statement by America's Health Care Plans and the BlueCross BlueShield Association.

It is a blow to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's efforts to line up enough Republican votes to push the health care legislation through the Senate next week.
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Old 07-15-2017, 11:10 AM   #6276
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Not a chance, as has been discussed in this thread the demographics of the US is not one that could support a civil war.
Not a conventional war, but the US could tip over into something approximating a civil war without the guns. Tax revolts, shutting down the operations of the government, paralyzing courts with litigation. If Trump is impeached, the Democrats would need to find a squeeky clean candidate to run in the next election, because the Republicans would be laying the groundwork for an impeachment of their own before the new president even moved into the Whitehouse.
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Not a chance, as has been discussed in this thread the demographics of the US is not one that could support a civil war.

All the people who would be the angriest and the ones who would most want to participate in violence have mortgages to pay, children to feed, and jobs to go to on Monday. You'd probably see protests and lone-wolf actions but nothing that could be sustained in any meaningful way.

Also, the military has a complete monopoly on heavy weapons in the US. No militia, no matter how large and well trained, could stand up to artillery. The only possible way there is a civil war in the States is if entire brigade-or-larger units of the US military start shooting at each other.
Mostly agreed, but there are some circumstances where it could happen.

For example, if the economy completely collapsed and the military stopped getting paid. Some may go rogue or even abandon armories or pledge allegiance to rebels.

It's very unlikely, but theoretically could happen. It's what happened in Yugoslavia, which was the 4th largest military in Europe at the time.
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Old 07-15-2017, 03:11 PM   #6278
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I don't think so Tim.
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Not a chance, as has been discussed in this thread the demographics of the US is not one that could support a civil war.

All the people who would be the angriest and the ones who would most want to participate in violence have mortgages to pay, children to feed, and jobs to go to on Monday. You'd probably see protests and lone-wolf actions but nothing that could be sustained in any meaningful way.

Also, the military has a complete monopoly on heavy weapons in the US. No militia, no matter how large and well trained, could stand up to artillery. The only possible way there is a civil war in the States is if entire brigade-or-larger units of the US military start shooting at each other.
The 3%ers and Oathkeepers put a substantial wrinkle into your belief. There will be no large scale engagement, but I would not rule out regionalized events where the military is unlikely to engage, even if ordered to. I could see this turn into an insurgency of the nutbars against the rest. Extremism is alive and well in the United States.
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John McCain is out for a bit with minor surgery, so McConnell said the vote on healthcare is deferred. He definitely doesn't have the votes if McCain isn't there.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...al-vote-240596

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