06-30-2015, 05:02 PM
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#441
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But if a substance abuse issue (am not making any assertions in this instance as we do not have any facts) one wouldn't think that gives teams rights to terminate player contracts.
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06-30-2015, 05:03 PM
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#442
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Everyone's Favorite Oilfan!
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: San Jose, California
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Thanks for the clarification on them.
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06-30-2015, 05:04 PM
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#443
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Is the issue then that they were not prescribed by doctors?
At any rate, if he has a drug problem then the Kings should at least offer him help.
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I agree with this, But I feel like they have a couple of time already and he's not registering it and is just keeping on. Only way this makes sense. Ultimately, the PA also has to step up and help those in need too. Especially is the team has gone to all the lengths possible to help their player.
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06-30-2015, 05:06 PM
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#444
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
Yes but highly addictive
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Not that addictive. I take it for migraines usually once or twice a month at 10/325 and have never felt the need to pop some extras. Not to downplay addiction, it's different for different people i.e. alcoholism but it's not like it's coke or heroin.
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06-30-2015, 05:06 PM
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#445
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Yeah...a drug problem isnt enough.
If its a drug problem then he has to be put through the substance abuse program, you cant just cut ties and set him adrift. There has to be more than that.
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06-30-2015, 05:07 PM
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#446
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Lifetime Suspension
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So it *was* about drugs -- BS, are we expecting Stoll to have his contract voided too? What Voynov did was way worse than either.
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06-30-2015, 05:07 PM
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#447
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So if we're putting the pieces together for how it was severe enough to terminate a contract;
Richards had an issue with Oxycodone that the Kings were aware of, Kings offer support/help in the form of the NHL substance abuse program, Richards either declines or was supposed to enter and didn't, Kings find out about border incident, Kings have grounds for termination.
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06-30-2015, 05:09 PM
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#448
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So either the Kings owe him in full and nothing changes (his cap hit stays), or they don't owe him a dime in money (and his cap hit goes to 1.32 M if they determine it's a breach) right?
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06-30-2015, 05:10 PM
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#449
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Originally Posted by MisterJoji
Not that addictive. I take it for migraines usually once or twice a month at 10/325 and have never felt the need to pop some extras. Not to downplay addiction, it's different for different people i.e. alcoholism but it's not like it's coke or heroin.
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What? Oxycodone is highly, highly addictive. There's been epidemics of drug stores being robbed in almost every municipality in North America in recent years from addicts looking to get Oxy.
I appreciate that maybe you haven't felt addicted on small, sparsely taken doses, but do a little google searching on the drug for your own sake. It's really bad.
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06-30-2015, 05:10 PM
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#450
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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Originally Posted by sempuki
So it *was* about drugs -- BS, are we expecting Stoll to have his contract voided too? What Voynov did was way worse than either.
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Stoll was already a pending UFA.
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06-30-2015, 05:11 PM
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#451
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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That is ballsy of the Kings to suspend him for a pain killer, especially if it is an addiction to a painkiller.
Have a feeling this could be a long legal battle.
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06-30-2015, 05:11 PM
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#452
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Franchise Player
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So Richards probably is addicted to prescription pills and the Kings want to essentially sewer him from his contract? Stay classy Kings.
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06-30-2015, 05:12 PM
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#453
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Oxycodone abuse is pretty serious. If he was supposed to be in treatment and got nailed, I'm sure he'd be considered in breach.
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06-30-2015, 05:12 PM
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#454
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Franchise Player
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22 Mil is a steep price to pay for some pills. Hard to believe that Richards is that dumb but I guess you never know.
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06-30-2015, 05:14 PM
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#455
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by MisterJoji
Not that addictive. I take it for migraines usually once or twice a month at 10/325 and have never felt the need to pop some extras. Not to downplay addiction, it's different for different people i.e. alcoholism but it's not like it's coke or heroin.
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Can't argue with you about your personal experience but it's general knowledge that it's a big black market drug, which brings up the question of whether he had a legal subscription.
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06-30-2015, 05:15 PM
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#456
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Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
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Originally Posted by flameswin
What? Oxycodone is highly, highly addictive. There's been epidemics of drug stores being robbed in almost every municipality in North America in recent years from addicts looking to get Oxy.
I appreciate that maybe you haven't felt addicted on small, sparsely taken doses, but do a little google searching on the drug for your own sake. It's really bad.
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It's addictive to people that already have addiction problems. Drug stores are being robbed because it's easier to try and rob a drug store than to try and rob a drug dealer for meth or coke or whatever. But saying it's highly addictive makes it sound like the average person who needs pain control should use extreme caution before using it or they'll get addicted. For 99% of the population it's not a problem.
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06-30-2015, 05:15 PM
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#457
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Jacks
22 Mil is a steep price to pay for some pills. Hard to believe that Richards is that dumb but I guess you never know.
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Unfortunately Oxy in all its forms is highly addictive. Once people are hooked they don't necessarily think rationally.
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06-30-2015, 05:16 PM
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#458
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In 1987, the San Diego Padres voided Lamarr Hoyt’s contract after he was jailed following multiple drug charges, including intent to distribute cocaine and attempting to smuggle drugs from Mexico into the U.S. This would seem to be specifically the type of conduct that would justify voiding a contract – right? Wrong. The Players Association filed a grievance and won.
In 2004, the Colorado Rockies tried to cut Danny Neagle after he was charged with soliciting a prostitute. The MLBPA stepped in, and ultimately the parties agreed to a payout of $16 million on his $19.5 million contract.
In 2005, the Baltimore Orioles voided Sidney Ponson’s contract for driving while intoxicated (as well as some other stuff). The MLBPA grieved, and the sides ended up settling. According to reports, Ponson got a sizable chunk of his $11.2 million salary.
There was a case, however, where a voided contract was upheld by an arbitrator. In 2008, Shawn Chacon refused to leave the team dining room to speak with GM Ed Wade in his office. This confrontation ended with Chacon grabbing Wade by the neck and throwing him to the ground. Each time Wade tried to get up, Chacon knocked him back to the ground. Chacon’s contract was terminated with cause. The move was appealed by the MLBPA, but the appeal was unsuccessful.
So short of strangling your employer, it can be tough to successfully terminate a contract (even then, Latrell Fontaine Sprewell got 68 games for choking NBA coach P. J. Carlesimo).
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmacr...ds-contract/3/
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06-30-2015, 05:17 PM
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#459
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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I have to think that the Kings went all out for Richards to help him and when he simply ignored it all and kept getting the pills, they felt he was beyond help. I just don't see how the league let the Kings try to do this without sufficient evidence this was the case.
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06-30-2015, 05:17 PM
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#460
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterJoji
Not that addictive. I take it for migraines usually once or twice a month at 10/325 and have never felt the need to pop some extras. Not to downplay addiction, it's different for different people i.e. alcoholism but it's not like it's coke or heroin.
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It's not heroin, but I'd argue it's worse than cocaine.
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