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View Poll Results: Donald Trump's first 100 days have been a success.
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:28 PM   #6581
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Or maybe it's a bit of ideology and business intertwined and thinking it has to be one and only one is a childishly simplistic viewpoint that only serves to confirm your own biases?
That would have been a more appropriate response to this:

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Of course they're doing for the ratings. Same strategy has worked for Colbert.

It's ratings driven, not ideological.
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Well, Scaramucci looks a lot better at this.
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Scaramucci, asked about Trump claim of millions of illegal 2016 voter: "If the president said that, there's probably some level of truth"
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:59 PM   #6584
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There isn't any scenario where this plays out well anymore for Trump. Presidency will not recover at this point. It's just a matter of how much pain the GOP and American public are willing to endure.

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1. Trump orders Attorney General Jeff Sessions to fire Mueller. Sessions quits, as does Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein and Associate Attorney General Rachel Brand. Eventually someone agrees to fire Mueller. Republicans either will not pursue impeachment or are obliged to begin impeachment hearings but refuse to vote out articles of impeachment. In 2018, Democrats sweep to victory in the House and gain a seat or two in the Senate. Trump cannot be removed (two-thirds of the Senate is required for removal), but his presidency is in tatters. Some aides or ex-aides face criminal prosecution. LESSON: Republicans’ failure to stand up to Trump early dooms his presidency and crashes the GOP.

2. Trump orders Attorney General Jeff Sessions to fire Mueller. Sessions quits, as does Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein and Associate Attorney General Rachel Brand. Eventually someone agrees to fire Mueller. Republicans, together with Democrats, pass by a veto-proof majority an independent prosecutor statute. Before impeachment proceedings can finish, Democrats sweep to victory in 2018 in the House and gain a seat or two in the Senate. Trump cannot be removed, but his presidency is in tatters. Some aides or ex-aides face criminal prosecution. LESSON: Fire Mueller, and Congress will hire him back.

3. Republicans join Democrats in warning Trump not to fire Mueller. Mueller remains and keeps digging. Mueller subpoenas damaging documents; Trump refuses to comply. A court orders him to comply. He doesn’t. We have a full-blown constitutional crisis. LESSON: Congress cannot delegate all responsibility to Mueller. It must conduct a parallel investigation and, if need be, commence impeachment proceedings.

4. Republicans join Democrats in warning Trump not to fire Mueller. Mueller remains and keeps digging. Mueller subpoenas damaging documents; Trump refuses to comply. A court orders him to comply. He declares this a witch hunt, an attack on his family (or whatever). Then he resigns, claiming he has already made America great. He tells the country that Vice President Pence will carry on in his place. LESSON: Congress must protect Mueller and preserve the possibility that Trump may be forced to resign.

5. Republicans join Democrats in warning Trump not to fire Mueller. Mueller subpoenas damaging documents. Trump complies. The evidence of collusion and/or obstruction is overwhelming. Mueller recommends prosecution or impeachment. The GOP turns on Trump, who is impeached and removed (with the GOP by that time possibly in the minority in one or both houses). LESSON: Congress must protect Mueller and pay the price for failure to oppose Trump’s nomination and election.

Is there a sixth scenario in which Mueller exonerates Trump? That’s the least likely outcome after Trump has fired former FBI director James B. Comey and threatened the special counsel. Why would he do those things unless there was something really, really bad to find? And if there is something bad, Mueller will find it. You can understand then why Trump sounds frantic. In no scenario does Trump’s presidency recover.
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No wonder Trump loves this guy.

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No wonder he hired this guy:

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It's weird, because like 90+% of the coverage is pure apologia, and then they allow this on the air.



And it's not the first time Smith has done something like this. You'd think they'd somehow muzzle him or fire him.
smith and wallace are the only two guys on fox that have any integrity...

maybe if ailies was still around they'd be gone... but they are the only thing that keeps Fox News in the category of new organization as opposed to "propaganda machine" and even then its just barely
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Scaramucci sure loves Donny, he mentioned it a few times. stroke that ego bend over boy
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No wonder Trump loves this guy.

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Holy crap. This is outstanding.
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Speaking of Fox News and Spicey.
as seen on FoxNewsdotcom

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/sean-sp...all-1500678379

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Less than a month into his new job, White House press secretary Sean Spicer needed to keep his food and drink cold. He wanted a mini-fridge.

He dispatched a top aide to a nearby executive office building where junior research employees are crammed into a room, surviving on Lean Cuisine frozen lunches. Mr. Spicer wants your icebox, the aide said, according to people familiar with the incident. They refused to give it up.

So Mr. Spicer waited until sundown—after his young staffers had left—to take matters into his own hands. He was spotted by a fellow White House official lugging the icebox down the White House driveway after 8 p.m.
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Hahaha wow it really is a circus show.
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Certainly appears they are looking to force Sessions out with this leak, which is likely directly from John Barron. Looking like indeed the end game is to fire Mueller, so we could be barreling towards a constitutional crisis. Yippee!



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Vox has a newish podcast called Worldly which focuses more on foreign policy and world events with respect to US policies and such. The latest one talks about the Iran deal, it's pretty interesting. Sounds like it took all hands and endless convincing to get Trump to certify that Iran is complying with the terms of the nuclear deal. He didn't want to do it despite Iran not violating the deal.. probably because it was done by Obama.
Oh look..

After a contentious meeting with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson this week, President Donald Trump instructed a group of trusted White House staffers to make the potential case for withholding certification of Iran at the next 90-day review of the nuclear deal. The goal was to give Trump what he felt the State Department had failed to do: the option to declare that Tehran was not in compliance with the contentious agreement.

“The president assigned White House staffers with the task of preparing for the possibility of decertification for the 90-day review period that ends in October — a task he had previously given to Secretary Tillerson and the State Department,” a source close to the White House told Foreign Policy.

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On Tuesday, Trump relayed this new assignment to a group of White House staffers now tasked with making sure there will not be a repeat at the next 90-day review. “This is the president telling the White House that he wants to be in a place to decertify 90 days from now and it’s their job to put him there,” the source said.


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So basically ignore if Iran has actually complied with the deal and find some reason to decertify.

This seems crazy, the whole point of the Iran deal is to make it so Iran isn't able to put together a nuclear weapon on a few weeks notice (let alone start stockpiling them). That's where they were. Now they're supposedly at the point where it would take a year to put together a nuke. That seems to me like the deal is doing what it's supposed to do.

Doesn't decertifying basically put Iran back in the mode of wanting to have nukes to protect themselves from the US trying to do a regime change in Iran? Seems to me like it's creating another North Korea.

Except North Korea is among a pretty stable part of the world. I don't think anyone would call the middle east stable.

All because it was Obama who made the deal. Or who knows, maybe he's doing it to make Saudi Arabia happy.

EDIT: Not to mention the whole "let's ignore the state department" aspect.

EDIT2: Another article that goes into some detail about what not certifying actually means.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...f40_story.html
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I would assume Trump doesn't care about what you used to think about him, just that you're currently kissing his ass. Obviously all now deleted as well.




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LOL. The amount of butt kissing knows no bounds with this administration.

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