08-14-2017, 02:24 PM
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I guess if we're just re-defining terms to mean whatever we want them to mean, sure, but generally when I hear "mainstream", it refers to "the outlets that everyone recognizes and knows about and a lot of people tune into", thus having a significant effect on the zeitgeist. Which has always been distinct from the types of people who hold political influence at the highest levels. That's an easier problem to fix, one hopes.
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08-14-2017, 02:30 PM
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#382
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So you're saying the president of the united states isn't mainstream.
Got it.
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08-14-2017, 02:31 PM
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#383
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FFS, why do I even bother trying to have a conversation with some people. That's just ridiculous on your part.
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08-14-2017, 02:33 PM
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How does the office of the president not immediately qualify under this criteria:
"the outlets that everyone recognizes and knows about and a lot of people tune into"
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08-14-2017, 02:36 PM
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#385
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Breitbart does not qualify. No one reads it. I swear it gets more attention from people complaining about it than anywhere else. The fact that someone who does read Breitbart has influence on the president does not change the lack of impact that Breitbart has on the American public's view of the world.
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08-14-2017, 02:38 PM
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#386
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Nobody reads a news site worth 800 million?
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08-14-2017, 02:40 PM
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#387
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Originally Posted by calgaryblood
Nobody reads a news site worth 800 million?
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Unless this is wrong, not very many people do.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017...-are-cratering
If it's actually way more influential than that suggests, that's another story, but I'm just going by those numbers.
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08-14-2017, 02:44 PM
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2 billion page views a year is not much? It's in your link.
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08-14-2017, 02:48 PM
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Did you read the whole thing or just the first paragraph? They seemed to spike around the end of last year, coinciding with the Trump win, and then fell off the face of the Earth. Seems more like a flash in the pan than some new mainstream news outlet. What proportion of, say, Fox News viewers are regular breitbart readers as well? Maybe Tina Nguyen and I are wrong and it's millions and millions of people, but it doesn't seem to be the case to me.
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08-14-2017, 02:51 PM
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They did fall but they're still relevant and it's not just people who are complaining about the site that are reading it.
It's a popular news site.
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08-14-2017, 02:55 PM
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Lets see what Google thinks...
Huh.
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08-14-2017, 02:56 PM
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Now do CNN.
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08-14-2017, 02:57 PM
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CNN is Isis is one of the first ones.
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08-14-2017, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
So you're saying the president of the united states isn't mainstream.
Got it.
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08-14-2017, 03:14 PM
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After he was President.
They must be legit
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Breitbart gets exclusive interview with Trump
BY BROOKE SEIPEL - 02/25/17 08:56 PM EST
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...resident-trump
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08-14-2017, 03:16 PM
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Gotta agree with Corsi here, Alexa don't lie. Brietbart is a nothing site:
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08-14-2017, 03:21 PM
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I mean, does it matter what their readership is at this point when their editorial director is directing policy discussions in the white house?
Does Breitbart even need any exposure anymore when the President of the United States is issuing their talking points for them?
It is tough to get more 'mainstream' than being the established executive government of the united states of america.
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If the former editor of Mother Jones got a job on Hilary Clinton's white house staff, would that make Mother Jones mainstream? Personally, I don't think it would. There's a difference between influential and mainstream.
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08-14-2017, 03:24 PM
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#399
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If you register from a Japanese IP, there's a hentai sub-forum.
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08-14-2017, 03:30 PM
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Let's play the reversy game:
Director of, oh I don't know, leftist publication du jour, salon, slate, rabble, whatever. Let's call him Steve. So, Steve is the opinion maker at the David Suzuki Foundation, and then he becomes the editorial director of rabble. Steve then champions a radical candidate for the NDP, a candidate that the majority of NDP elected officials think is too extreme to be a member of their party, let alone their designated candidate. With a spirited media campaign, Steve manages to not only get this radical NDP guy elected candidate, he actually gets this person elected PRIME MINISTER. He resigns his job with rabble or slate or vice or whoever and moves onto being the chief political strategist for the new Prime Minister. The country immediately starts seeing a rise in environmental and leftist violence and vandalism. The leadership of the Sierra Club, the Suzuki Foundation The Weather Underground, Front de liberation du Quebec, all publicly acknowledge how much this person as PM benefits them and how much they like him and how glad they are they voted for him.
The CBC nightly devotes almost their entire broadcast to brazen and bizarre pro-environmental, anti-capitalist legislation. As canadians we are inundated with news about about how the Prime Minister thinks hydro meters cause cancer and enacts a wall along the border to keep US businessmen out. They live-broadcast his post election rallies where he talks about the rough ride capitalists would've gotten in the good old days.
Readership of slate/vice/rabble declines considerably after his departure.
Is that guy and his opinion mainstream?
Doesn't receiving 45% or more of the popular vote of a nation make someone mainstream? Readership is fickle. The Times and The Post were on deaths door having year over year declines in readership. Did they suddenly become outside of the mainstream? The post lost something like 40% of their circulation between 2009 and 2015. Did they fall out of favour with the 'mainstream'?
Or do you no longer care at all about readership because the entire aapparatus of the federal government is now bent to your will and ideals?
Do you even need a website anymore when every major mediate outlet is covering your every move? Does it matter if rabble's readership has declined if the guy who used to publish their blogs is now having things published under the official government of canada letterhead?
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