[Trade] Flames get Travis Hamonic + 4th for a 1st and 2x2nds

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Your memory fails you djs

Jbo wasnt there in 09 when they added Jokinen and Cammy was gone when they brought in Jbo

Oh crap. You're right. A slight 'era' crossover. My bad.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Racki

I apologize if this has already been posted. It's just too good not too share.

https://oilonwhyte.com/2017/06/24/ed...ic-no-problem/

Good god. That is hilarious.

[djsFlames]

So now we've got our Regehr equivalent.

Just need our Iggy and Kipper. The two pieces that those old teams have on the current roster.

But like others have posted, this defence and team is far more complete than any of those 05-10 teams were. Okay, maybe 06-10. That division winning team was pretty damn good. Stupid effing Ducks!

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Good god. That is hilarious.

Quite a fairytale our neighbors are living.

[Racki]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

My reaction to that article:

Sure, Andrej Sekera is out injured for 6-9 months, and Edmonton needs more depth, the Oilers already possess the right pieces to cope.

The Oilers strengthened the right side of their defence corps this past season by trading Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson. Though he wasn’t a power-play quarterback, let alone a puck-mover, the Oilers got a more physical, stronger and smarter defenceman.

Behind Larsson, the Oilers got a strong shot-blocker out of Kris Russell and finally built a strong top-four.

This stuff is pure gold.

[puffnstuff]

That gif is hilarious. And the perfect reaction after reading that...uh I dont know exactly what to call it.

[Locke]

Yes, Kris Russell.

The Oilers have found the magic that the Blue Jackets, Blues, Flames and Dallas couldnt find.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

So now we've got our Regehr equivalent.

Just need our Iggy and Kipper. The two pieces that those old teams have on the current roster.

But like others have posted, this defence and team is far more complete than any of those 05-10 teams were. Okay, maybe 06-10. That division winning team was pretty damn good. Stupid effing Ducks!

That team could not score to save its life.

[Love]

Originally Posted by timbit

Gio
Hamilton
Phaneuf
Bouw
Brodie
Reggie
Hamonic

Interesting

[Street Pharmacist]

I'm naturally pessimistic with these trades. I have to say I'm not sold on this one, but I'm keeping an open mind. The Hamilton trade was a case in point where I felt the cost was too high and now I think he's arguably our best defenseman.

If the Flames do well the next two years, it helps not only the return, but the cost. A 27th overall pick is a vastly different pick from a 5th overall. You need to gamble to get better, and I know Treliving is smarter than me, but we have no picks in the first 3 rounds next year. That won't hurt next year, the year after, or maybe even the year after that, but it will thin the replacements at some point. If the Flames do well enough that the picks are in the late 20's, this trade is a steal. If they finish bottom 10 and draft high it's really not worth it IMO.

[Backlunds_socks]

Great move by tre! I for sure thought we'd lose bennet to get harmonic.

Glad I'm wrong on that one

[Love]

I think I'll enjoy this trade more after watching Hamonic play. I'm not over the moon like I was when I heard about the Dougie deal. I'm quite neutral on it.

[Backlunds_socks]

[QUOTE=timbit;6303958]Gio
Hamilton
Phaneuf
Bouw
Brodie
Reggie
Hamonic[/QUOTEif u truly were a donufht I'd know Reggie was the toughest to play against in the league !

[timbit]

[QUOTE=Backlunds_socks;6304008]

Originally Posted by timbit

Gio
Hamilton
Phaneuf
Bouw
Brodie
Reggie
Hamonic[/QUOTEif u truly were a donufht I'd know Reggie was the toughest to play against in the league !

In English please.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I'm naturally pessimistic with these trades. I have to say I'm not sold on this one, but I'm keeping an open mind. The Hamilton trade was a case in point where I felt the cost was too high and now I think he's arguably our best defenseman.

If the Flames do well the next two years, it helps not only the return, but the cost. A 27th overall pick is a vastly different pick from a 5th overall. You need to gamble to get better, and I know Treliving is smarter than me, but we have no picks in the first 3 rounds next year. That won't hurt next year, the year after, or maybe even the year after that, but it will thin the replacements at some point. If the Flames do well enough that the picks are in the late 20's, this trade is a steal. If they finish bottom 10 and draft high it's really not worth it IMO.

Right....but if you want to ride the ride you have to buy a ticket, otherwise you're just watching.

"Buy the ticket, take the ride." - Hunter S. Thompson

[djsFlames]

While reading that hilariousness, the most appropriate advertisement popped up in the middle of the article.



Just about pissed myself at how fitting it was.

So it starts out by saying that the Oilers need more defense depth, but that they're also okay (well alright then!). His argument for the Oilers not needing Hamonic is because Russell brings everything he does, and I guess you can only have so much shot blocking on one defense. Also says that "trusting" a 23 year old sophomore straight out of the NCAA to step into a top 4 position in Sekera's absence is a better option, because... actually there isn't really an explanation. Because it's good for his confidence? I think. Also stuff about Larsson being a great acquisition even though it has nothing to do with the #4 spot. Just pointless boasting about a trade that they lost. A++ article. Would read again.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by Racki

I apologize if this has already been posted. It's just too good not too share.

https://oilonwhyte.com/2017/06/24/ed...ic-no-problem/

This article is pure cognitive dissonance on the part of Oiler fans!

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Locke

Right....but if you want to ride the ride you have to buy a ticket, otherwise you're just watching.

"Buy the ticket, take the ride." - Hunter S. Thompson

That's why I said you need to gamble. I'm just putting context to how I think the succeed/failure will be judged

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Thats all well and good...problem is that in the next 2 drafts the Flames are down 4 picks in the first 3 rounds including nothing til round 4 next year.

Thats why when i see "lots of time to recoup picks" thrown about, it makes me cringe because the only way that happens is if the team starts to sell off some players...which means the season isnt going well.

Im of the opinion that this team still needs some holes filled up front and why i hated the acquisition cost of Hamonic as the currency to help up front has entirely disappeared in the last week.

If you like this trade in the basis that Flames will recoup the lost picks, well I just don't think that's realistic. The Flames were buyers at the deadline this year with a playoff bubble team and I just don't see the mentality changing unless the team horribly under performs. In which case we are probably looking at a new management team who will discuss the lack of picks.

Now I will get behind the move as I love that Treliving is trying to ice the most competitive team possible and at end of the day, I'm a fan of the game on the ice. But the acquisition cost was high and the lack of high picks will have a lasting impact on the organization. You just have to hope we didn't go all in on a mediocre hand.

[Love]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Thats all well and good...problem is that in the next 2 drafts the Flames are down 4 picks in the first 3 rounds including nothing til round 4 next year.

Thats why when i see "lots of time to recoup picks" thrown about, it makes me cringe because the only way that happens is if the team starts to sell off some players...which means the season isnt going well.

Im of the opinion that this team still needs some holes filled up front and why i hated the acquisition cost of Hamonic as the currency to help up front has entirely disappeared in the last week.

I'm not sure about. Didn't we pick up two extra seconds and a third in the 2015 draft while making the playoffs? Teams are always hungry for vets around the TDL and there are always desperate GM's to be taken advantage of. A veteran C like Stajan on an expiring contract might have more value to a young team than we might think.