11-09-2016, 05:02 AM
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As massive Cali numbers begin to build, Clinton has now officially won the popular vote.
HRC: 58,909,579
Trump: 58,864,093
She wins California by more than the total number of votes cast for her in Michigan.
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11-09-2016, 05:03 AM
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#42
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Originally Posted by direwolf
I'm still in shock. Clinton was clearly more experienced, more intelligent, and way more qualified for the job...she had Barack, Michelle, Beyonce, Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, and Bruce freakin' Springsteen all stumping for her, and she still lost to Trump. I can't imagine how humiliating this must be for her campaign. Unreal.
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Your in shock because experience didn't win out? You live in Alberta and / or Canada right?
Putting political ideology aside, I find it funny how shocked Canadians are the US as they favor someone who proved they don't have much experience to govern, shortly after putting a socialist into a capitalist province and a drama teacher in as PM. At a minimum Canada should at least understand that over time there are cycles and people get tired of established systems and leaders.
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11-09-2016, 05:04 AM
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#43
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Lifetime Suspension
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Voters want to make America great again.
Congratulations Trump!
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11-09-2016, 05:13 AM
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#44
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Voting appears to be down 6 million votes over 2012 levels, which will be a big part of why Trump won. He didn't get as many total votes as Romney. Obama was just better at motivating the base. I also think people hated that Hillary had a sense of entitlement to the Presidency because she had simply "deserved it" in her mind, and a lot of people were simply happy to see her lose. And then she of course doesn't even come out to concede to kinda hammer that point home.
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11-09-2016, 05:32 AM
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#45
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On a worldwide scale we are seeing the rise of populist anti establishment ideas and leaders. Duterte. Putin. Brexit. Numerous ultra right wing parties in Europe.
Incomes are stagnating. Inequality is growing. Debt is growing. The middle class has been slowly squeezed out for decades. People are incredibly frustrated with the political establishment.
It is not surpising in the slightest that the more populist candidate won over the longstanding career politician.
What is surprising is the democrats had a populist candidate of their own (Bernie Sanders) who would've had a shot to capture the populist vote and driven the youth vote.
The democrats haven't just lost this one election. They've lost the Supreme Court for a generation.
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11-09-2016, 05:41 AM
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#46
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AltaGuy has a magnetic personality and exudes positive energy, which is infectious to those around him. He has an unparalleled ability to communicate with people, whether he is speaking to a room of three or an arena of 30,000.
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Oh well, facts and science. Nice knowing you.
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11-09-2016, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian
On a worldwide scale we are seeing the rise of populist anti establishment ideas and leaders. Duterte. Putin. Brexit. Numerous ultra right wing parties in Europe.
Incomes are stagnating. Inequality is growing. Debt is growing. The middle class has been slowly squeezed out for decades. People are incredibly frustrated with the political establishment.
It is not surpising in the slightest that the more populist candidate won over the longstanding career politician.
What is surprising is the democrats had a populist candidate of their own (Bernie Sanders) who would've had a shot to capture the populist vote and driven the youth vote.
The democrats haven't just lost this one election. They've lost the Supreme Court for a generation.
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Mix far-right nationalist movements in many world powers with the economy going into the tank, and what do you get - especially now that the use of nukes is on the table? That's why I've said we may not be here to see the next election.
How long until Russia takes the Arctic from us?
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11-09-2016, 05:50 AM
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This is interesting to see how the party lines were broken down.
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11-09-2016, 05:50 AM
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Join Date: May 2002
Location: Virginia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian
On a worldwide scale we are seeing the rise of populist anti establishment ideas and leaders. Duterte. Putin. Brexit. Numerous ultra right wing parties in Europe.
Incomes are stagnating. Inequality is growing. Debt is growing. The middle class has been slowly squeezed out for decades. People are incredibly frustrated with the political establishment.
It is not surpising in the slightest that the more populist candidate won over the longstanding career politician.
What is surprising is the democrats had a populist candidate of their own (Bernie Sanders) who would've had a shot to capture the populist vote and driven the youth vote.
The democrats haven't just lost this one election. They've lost the Supreme Court for a generation.
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Bernie Sanders's supporters swung this election to the guy who you'd think is against pretty much everything they pretended to stand for. I don't really feel like Bernie himself can take too much blame because he seemed pretty genuine in trying to get his supporters out in support of Hillary, but his supporters really screwed themselves by making that statement.
Sanders would not have had a chance. There is no way half the country would vote for his platform.
I don't know what to think or hope for from here. I want to hope that Trump fails and shows what a terrible mistake he is, but I don't know how he can do that without taking the country down with him.
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11-09-2016, 05:53 AM
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#51
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Originally Posted by kerriffic
This is interesting to see how the party lines were broken down.
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Clinton couldn't win among white women. Given the alleged misogyny, that is downright disastrous.
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11-09-2016, 05:55 AM
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#52
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God of Hating Twitter
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I remember looking at when they started to do polls late in the primaries of Bernie vs Trump nationwide and seeing those staggering numbers, I can't remember the journalist but he mentioned the immense risk that comes with Hillary and her terrible favorability numbers and that only a populist could truly take down trump.
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11-09-2016, 05:58 AM
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#53
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian
On a worldwide scale we are seeing the rise of populist anti establishment ideas and leaders. Duterte. Putin. Brexit. Numerous ultra right wing parties in Europe.
Incomes are stagnating. Inequality is growing. Debt is growing. The middle class has been slowly squeezed out for decades. People are incredibly frustrated with the political establishment.
It is not surpising in the slightest that the more populist candidate won over the longstanding career politician.
What is surprising is the democrats had a populist candidate of their own (Bernie Sanders) who would've had a shot to capture the populist vote and driven the youth vote.
The democrats haven't just lost this one election. They've lost the Supreme Court for a generation.
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Agree. It's unfortunate that so many people believe that the answer is to let the fox run loose in the hen house. Clinton was clearly not the answer for most people who feel disenfranchised but at least we could be fairly certain that she wouldn't do anything crazy.
I suspect that most voters will eventually be experiencing buyers remorse, similar to what they eventually experienced with Bush Jr. but magnified.
Watching the results last night a few of the TV panels talked about whether they (journalists) were part of the problem. Most of them agreed that they were but only in the sense that they relied on polls too much and weren't in touch with the everyday voter. As usual, they completely miss the boat and their arrogance, I believe had a big impact on this election.
I hope sanity prevails in the US but I suspect that shipped has sailed.
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11-09-2016, 06:03 AM
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#54
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Quote:
Brian Pedaci
@bpedaci
BRITAIN: Brexit is the stupidest, most self-destructive act a country could undertake.
USA: Hold my beer.
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https://twitter.com/bpedaci/status/796205042802065409
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11-09-2016, 06:10 AM
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I am shocked he won Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and North Carolina.
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11-09-2016, 06:20 AM
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#56
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I just love that to appease American women you're better off being a black man than an actual woman. That stat is just cracking me up.
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11-09-2016, 06:23 AM
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#57
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So is the system still rigged? Or just if you lose?
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11-09-2016, 06:23 AM
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#58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
I am shocked he won Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and North Carolina.
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I always kind of thought he'd win the rust belt. I thought NC and Florida would go to Clinton though. I have a hard time comprehending how evangelicals fell so heavily to Trump.
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11-09-2016, 06:24 AM
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11-09-2016, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
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Maybe, but don't miss Cheney one single bit
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