08-06-2023, 09:49 AM
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigrangy
That is a lot of moving parts.
Seems like Pittsburgh gave up pretty much everything not nailed down. Hope it works out for them.
Who’s backing up there now? Might be a Vladar spot.
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Nah the Penguins already had three goalies. Nedeljkovic will back up Jarry.
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08-06-2023, 09:50 AM
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#22
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
So full cap hit to the Pens they just get to dump Granlund and Petry to make it work?
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SJ is retaining $1.5M of Karlsson’s salary. And Pitt is retaining 25% of Petry and paying a few other pieces to Montreal to dump him.
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08-06-2023, 09:52 AM
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#23
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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08-06-2023, 09:54 AM
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#24
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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We will see if Karlsson stinks it up again on a new team after an extended courtship and media hyping, as happened after the move from the Sens.
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08-06-2023, 09:56 AM
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#25
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SW Calgary
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San Jose Sharks legend Mike Hoffman
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08-06-2023, 09:57 AM
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#26
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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https://www.capfriendly.com/trades
Great summary of the deal on capfriendly. Pitt comes out with over $3M of additional cap space, SJ loses 2.2M and the Habs lose a little less than a million
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08-06-2023, 10:06 AM
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#27
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Calgary
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Wow, very interesting trade for all three teams
Will be interesting
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08-06-2023, 10:07 AM
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#28
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Franchise Player
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Wow one of the worst contracts in the league and come out with 3 million in cap space.
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08-06-2023, 10:11 AM
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#29
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Toronto
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I like this deal for the Pens. Good move given the clear direction in PIT to go for it.
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08-06-2023, 10:15 AM
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#30
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Franchise Player
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It's a good move but when you are a defenceman being paid 11 million and you absolutely suck at defending well that's a problem.
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08-06-2023, 10:15 AM
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#31
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Dubas/PIT did great.
San Jose did not.
Montreal makes out like bandits as the 3rd team.
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08-06-2023, 10:17 AM
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#32
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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interesting to look at it team-by-team.
PITTSBURGH
+ Karlsson, Pitlick, Hamaliuk, 2026 3rd
- Granlund, Petry, Rutta, DeSmith, Legare, 2024 1st, 2025 2nd
SAN JOSE
+ Granlund, Rutta, Hoffman, 2024 1st
- Karlsson, Hamaliuk, 2026 3rd
MONTREAL
+ Petry, DeSmith, Legare, 2025 2nd
- Hoffman, Pitlick
think it works for all teams, given what they set out to do. I don't agree with Pittsburgh's decision to mortgage their future for "going for it" with Crosby and friends, but I do think this could have gone much worse for them. Adding Karlsson, dumping Granlund/Petry and picking up 3m in cap space, without having to give up one of their better prospects? That's not bad. Sure, a 1st and a 2nd, but they were always going to give that up here. Giving up Rutta and DeSmith won't break them, neither does Legare (who hasn't produced in the AHL). Hamaliuk is probably a bust, but maybe a change of scenery helps.
San Jose, I don't really like it for them. Depends on whether they can flip Granlund and/or Hoffman, maybe with retention. Same for Montreal and Petry. Generally like this deal a lot for the Habs.
Last edited by devo22; 08-06-2023 at 10:19 AM.
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08-06-2023, 10:20 AM
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#33
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
San Jose did not.
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San Jose did fine, they moved a very difficult contract,
They obtained a 1st
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08-06-2023, 10:21 AM
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#34
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Franchise Player
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Kinda suprised there are only 4 years left on Karlsson's deal...time flies.
If we spin back one year, the assets spent by PIT are essentially:
1st 2024 (Top 10 protected)
2nd 2025
2nd - 46OA 2023 (Granlund)
Matheson (Petry)
Rutta and DeSmith were signed as UFAs. PIT also gets a 2026 3rd from SJ which could be pretty high and conceivably cancel out the 2025 2nd.
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08-06-2023, 10:29 AM
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#36
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devo22
Pittsburgh is going to be so, so bad once Crosby and friends hang em up. But it's the Pens, they'll probably luck themselves into yet another generational talent.
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I wish the Flames did business this way. Take some risks and really really good or really really bad. Tired of playing it safe and finishing 17th.
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08-06-2023, 10:44 AM
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#37
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Franchise Player
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For PIT, it could be 4M in cap space if Pitlick is sent down. And if things work out the SJ 3rd they acquired won’t be far from the 2nd they gave up.
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08-06-2023, 10:49 AM
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#38
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devo22
Pittsburgh is going to be so, so bad once Crosby and friends hang em up. But it's the Pens, they'll probably luck themselves into yet another generational talent.
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I would suggest that is the plan of well run organizations.
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08-06-2023, 10:53 AM
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#39
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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The 1.5 mill of retention actually makes Karlsson a lot more palatable imo
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08-06-2023, 10:58 AM
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#40
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1qqaaz
The 1.5 mill of retention actually makes Karlsson a lot more palatable imo
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Add in that they got rid of granlunds $5 million a year contract and it looks good for Pitt. Granlund was a waste of $5 million .
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