Official (Alberta) Oil Discussion Thread

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

If you’re an environmentalist, shouldn’t the Coastal Gaslink natural gas pipeline be considered crucial infrastructure?

I believe it should be, providing the environmentalists would exercise a more global perspective as far as cutting down emissions worldwide. As I see it, the importance of exporting our natural gas to Asia is primarily to encourage its use in displacing coal.

[Mr.Coffee]

Yeah, that is my point.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Yup which is silly. The Liberals can't sit back and hope this goes away, they can't sit back and ignore the rule of law.

At the end of the day, this thing is going to get completely out of hand.

If they don't enforce the law, this thing is going to become even more common place. This feels like a big experiment that probably the environmental groups are studying very carefully. Just wait until the weather warms up, this is going to be completely commonplace for every thing.

For all the people that are arrested, they're just back at the protests the next day. Half of the people at these protests have nothing to do with the protests.

What's likely to happen is your going to see counter protests in close proximity and then we're going to see acts of violence happen.

I see it like you...it's only going to get worse unless it is "nipped in the bud".

I think I heard Trudeau say he was going to leave it up to the Provinces to handle. The cost and inconvenience to the whole country, in comparison to the small group of FN people being affected, and the increasing disruptive number of protesters, demands an immediate and effective response from the Federal Government. IMO the longer it goes on, the weaker the Liberals and their "pass the buck" leader will look.

[DiracSpike]

The amount of racism and general disdain for Aboriginals it would take to use a handful of them as props to achieve your communist/environmental aims, only to spit in the face of the vast VAST majority that recognize these projects as an opportunity for social and economic benefit for their people is mind numbing. The end game is what, to get this blocked, deny all these benefits to destitute rural communities, and then go on living your pointless life while all the social problems like suicide, drug use, and violence that go along with no opportunity and no hope that a lot of these FN communities face continue unabated? If you're a Wetsuweten person legally protesting this, that's one thing, you're entitled to your opinion. If you're some white ######r blockading all this infrastructure you've watched Avatar one too many times and I have nothing but contempt for you, you're either ignorant beyond belief or a huge racist.

[indes]

Only in Canada do we see our infrastructure taken hostage and then argue that the press isn't allowed close enough to watch those who are sanctioned by law to deal with the problem. Not to mention claiming human rights violations...We really need to get a handle on this and let people know they can't just shutdown railways, roads or pipelines at a whim.

Being held hostage and extorted is so Canadian. This whole situation just disappoints me in our country. "Continuously pandering to the vocal minority instead of using critical thinking and common sense" should be our new mantra.

[Weitz]

Only in Canada.

Canada is slowly turning from democracy to mobocracy, as the rule of law is tested from coast to coast.

From blocked intersections in downtown Toronto, to journalists and legislators being barred entry to the B.C. legislature; from an obstructed CN line affecting rail traffic out of the port of Prince Rupert, to the barricades impeding Via Rail’s service between Toronto and Montreal, Canada is slowly being choked into submission.

The protests are in solidarity with the opposition to the Coastal GasLink pipeline in northern B.C. by hereditary chiefs of the Wet’suwet’en Nation. But a considerable number of “outsiders” are using the dispute as an excuse for mischief.

It’s impossible to know how many anarchists are at work. The U.S. website, It’s Going Down, has been actively calling for its followers to “shut down the ability of capitalist civilization to function” and has been promoting a campaign to #shutdowncanada.

Eco-warriors like Rising Tide Toronto are calling on its activists to fight actors in that city that “benefit from mega-extraction and colonialism”.

The mob is winning. CN has temporarily closed down part of its network and warned of threats to the transportation of food, grain, de-icing fluid for airports and propane for Quebec and Atlantic Canada.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/joh...remains-silent

[CaptainCrunch]

The Manitoba Premiere's press conference on the protests is much watch TV if want to watch the news.



He basically blew his top



Scathing review on the consultative process, and stated that the Hereditary chiefs were reached out to time and time again during the process and they refused to take part.


Told a reporter that he was full of sh%t in terms of framing the consultations as not including indigenous people.


Ripped into the process stating that if the rules stay in place like they are that nothing will ever get built, and that the consultation rules have to be completely solidified.


Ripped C-69


Fine with protests but these protests are not showing respect for rule of law and respect of neighbours.


Its bracing TV.

[GoinAllTheWay]

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Good....about time some politicians are getting mad about this. Nice to hear Kenney stating basically the same thing.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

https://twitter.com/user/status/1227773273200414720


Putting peoples health and need to get medical attention at risk is disgusting.

Arrest them all. You have the right to protest, you don't have the right to hold up traffic, especially when it could be life or death.

[CaptainCrunch]

CTV news talking about 4 people being assaulted by the protestors at the BC Legislature and they rushed the Attorney Generals office in BC as well.

[Envitro]

This is pure pandemonium.

The governments are too afraid to send in the cops to bust up these illegal protests for the sake of not being "woke" or "something something reconciliation..."

[burn_this_city]

Feckless politicians have let this fester for almost a week now. These people do not have public support and the fact the RCMP are cowardly avoiding confrontation just emboldens them.

I think these bridge closures in Vancouver will swing public sentiment against any TMX protests. By the time this round of nonsense is over there won't be a lot of sympathy left.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The Manitoba Premiere's press conference on the protests is much watch TV if want to watch the news.



He basically blew his top



Scathing review on the consultative process, and stated that the Hereditary chiefs were reached out to time and time again during the process and they refused to take part.


Told a reporter that he was full of sh%t in terms of framing the consultations as not including indigenous people.


Ripped into the process stating that if the rules stay in place like they are that nothing will ever get built, and that the consultation rules have to be completely solidified.


Ripped C-69


Fine with protests but these protests are not showing respect for rule of law and respect of neighbours.


Its bracing TV.

Of course they were, I'm sure they played the same rope a dope game the TMX tribes in BC played. Make a mockery of the process, weaponize the courts, delay and drain capital out of this country, and at the end of the long road when they won't get their way start illegally protesting and making asinine statements about reconciliation being dead, or something.

[Weitz]

Don’t think these protestors actually understand reconciliation in a way that makes sense going forward.

[Nufy]

Soon people will start to fight back...and it won't be pretty

[burn_this_city]

If the cops weren't there protecting them it would already be happening.

[Firebot]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...lts-passenger/

It's happening.

Trudeau's Canada, voted in by Ontario and Quebec everyone.

Now how will Quebec get it's precious propane and oil?

Sounds like we need some pipelines. Such a backward and poorly thought out protest, but not unexpected in this silly country worried more about its image while Trudeau goes campaigning in Africa for a security council seat while the country is in shambles.

[Envitro]

Good.... let them feel a thousandth of a percent of the pain that the west experiences

[CaptainCrunch]

Just watching interviews about the effects that this shut down of rail traffic is going to have and its devastating. chemicals that contribute to safe drinking water, pharmaceuticals and food stuffs are down to 2 or 3 days versus of supplies. Oil and propane stocks are going to hit emergency levels.



Lots of layoffs by companies that depend on just in time inventory are happening, and expect that even if the protests end that there are going to be shortages for a long time.


This is rapidly becoming a really serious situation beyond the whole "Oh suck it up that you're stuck in traffic".



The Federal Government needs to step in on this now, and Canadians are going to be not only frustrated but angry by any concessions given up.



As well, any concessions or lack of law enforcement is just going to encourage more and more of these protests because its successful. Expect environmental groups to double down on blockading construction on things like pipelines and facilities.

[DiracSpike]

When asked, the prime minister merely said the protests were “an issue of concern” and that he is encouraging “all parties to dialogue to resolve this as quickly as possible.”

Most Trudeau line of all time, garbage catch all line to cause the least possible offence even though the time for "dialogue" has long since passed. You're the leader, the most powerful man in a country that's being snarled by this garbage and you're talking like you have no control of the situation. That's a throw away line I would say to my gf about a conflict at she has at work and yet our fearless PM is using it. This kind of soft kids glove language is what contributed to this impasse in the first place. Why is it so hard for him to say unequivocally that dangerously blockading infrastructure to protest a completely legal pipeline is unacceptable and won't be tolerated. PERIOD.