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stemit14 · 07-23-2014, 01:02 AM

I think most of these guys are a mix... Possessing some qualities from Different NHLers. Most of these qualities will probably not be as pure/high end but the mix will bring other elements to their game.

For example... Bennett to me is a mix of Matt duchene (offensive skill), Brendan Gallagher (feistiness/competitiveness), and Jonathan toews (Hockey IQ). His offensive skill likely won't be as high as that if duchene... Same with his hockey IQ with toews... And I don't think he's as much of a pest as Gallagher. But his compete level is off the charts and mixing that with duchene-lite offensive skill and toews-lite hockey IQ will make Bennett a great center to be in tandem with Monahan.

Monahan I'd say is part Logan couture (scoring touch) and part Jonathan toews (leadership style and two-way game).

Gaudreau is very rare cause he's a lot like Patrick Kane in so many ways. Close comparison I think. I know people like to temper expectations with him especially but he's at such another level with how fast he thinks and plays the game it's hard not to group him with guys like that.

Baertschi looks like hossa (puck protection/management) meets tanguay (playmaking).

Brodie is a lot like Duncan Keith without the shot. He can control the tempo of the game... Very important to have guys like that in playoffs.

Textcritic · 07-23-2014, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by stemit14

...For example... Bennett to me is a mix of Matt duchene (offensive skill), Brendan Gallagher (feistiness/competitiveness), and Jonathan toews (Hockey IQ). His offensive skill likely won't be as high as that if duchene... Same with his hockey IQ with toews... And I don't think he's as much of a pest as Gallagher. But his compete level is off the charts and mixing that with duchene-lite offensive skill and toews-lite hockey IQ will make Bennett a great center to be in tandem with Monahan...

I wanted to take issue a little bit with your comparison of Bennett to Duchene. I have always quite liked this for Bennett, but I really disagree with you that Duchene is a more offensively skilled player. Of course, it is too early to tell how he builds on it, but when you compare Bennett's juniour career to Duchene's he looks like the better player. What Duchene has that makes him so successful is his outrageously good skating ability and ludicrous speed. Bennett can't touch him in this, but I think he is a more naturally skilled player with the puck, and has better distribution and finishing abilities.

So, more highly skilled than Duchene, but not as good of a skater.

PlayfulGenius · 07-23-2014, 02:35 AM

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I remember watching a young Paul Kariya play and people can call me crazy but I think Gaudreau is more skilled at the same age frame. I think he will be a better player too. Hopefully he does not get rocked like Kariya did.

I'm 100% with you on this ... I'm goin to write something that will take the heat off you though...

... When I watch Gaudreau play, I see Gretzky in his style.. There, I said it and I ain't takin' it back!!

By the way, I'm NOT expecting a grandiose career out of Gaudreau... so no need for all the warnings about expectations.

PlayfulGenius · 07-23-2014, 02:38 AM

Gillies -> Vokoun

Textcritic · 07-23-2014, 02:39 AM

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I'm 100% with you on this ... I'm goin to write something that will take the heat off you though...

... When I watch Gaudreau play, I see Gretzky in his style.. There, I said it and I ain't takin' it back!!

By the way, I'm NOT expecting a grandiose career out of Gaudreau... so no need for all the warnings about expectations.

The way I see it, the problem with making a comparison to Gretzky and then expecting that player's career to follow the same trajectory has less to do with the comparison, than it does to how much better every other player in the league is now, compared to how good every NHL player was in the era in which Gretzky played. A Gretzky in his prime in today's NHL could never hope to match the performance of 1980s Gretzky. And that is because the average NHL player in 2014 is probably more comparable in his ability to hockey stars from the old days.

ForeverFlameFan · 07-23-2014, 02:55 AM

I may be in the minority, but we look like we are building like the Hawks.

Monahan - Toews
Gaudreau - Kane
Brodie - Keith

Rick M. · 07-23-2014, 06:28 AM

Some interesting discussion here. I don't see the Bennett=Gilmour comparison at all. He reminds me way more of Bobby Clarke ( I saw both Clarke and Gilmour play many times). I like the Monahan=Ron Francis/Rod Brind'amour comparison quite a bit.

ComixZone · 07-23-2014, 07:06 AM

Baertschi --> Hudler.

stemit14 · 07-23-2014, 11:54 AM

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I wanted to take issue a little bit with your comparison of Bennett to Duchene. I have always quite liked this for Bennett, but I really disagree with you that Duchene is a more offensively skilled player. Of course, it is too early to tell how he builds on it, but when you compare Bennett's juniour career to Duchene's he looks like the better player. What Duchene has that makes him so successful is his outrageously good skating ability and ludicrous speed. Bennett can't touch him in this, but I think he is a more naturally skilled player with the puck, and has better distribution and finishing abilities.

So, more highly skilled than Duchene, but not as good of a skater.

You could be right... I haven't followed Bennett over the season so I'm just going off of other opinions I've heard of him. Their style of offence is very similar. I gave the edge to duchene because of his speed and size. But Bennett may have more overall offensive skill for all I know. It's exciting to have a guy that has this kind of potential either way.

Split98 · 07-23-2014, 11:59 AM

Sieloff admires Niklas Kronwal, and it shows

Textcritic · 07-23-2014, 12:07 PM

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You could be right... I haven't followed Bennett over the season so I'm just going off of other opinions I've heard of him. Their style of offence is very similar. I gave the edge to duchene because of his speed and size. But Bennett may have more overall offensive skill for all I know. It's exciting to have a guy that has this kind of potential either way.

Bennett is already a little taller tha Duchene, and is very close to Duchene's draft weight. Bennett saw a ridiculous increase in his offensive output in this, his second season in the OHL. His point/game average of 1.6 is 21 percentage points higher than Duchene's from his draft year, even though he is six months younger an Duchene was when he was drafted.

Duchene is a better skater than Bennett ever will be, but all other signs suggest that Bennett is a more highly skilled player.

tknez16 · 07-23-2014, 12:18 PM

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Baertschi --> Hudler.

I see Baertschi as more of a Havlat, but maybe the main difference there is fragility.

Ulrith · 07-23-2014, 12:24 PM

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I may be in the minority, but we look like we are building like the Hawks.

Monahan - Toews
Gaudreau - Kane
Brodie - Keith

I don't think many here would be unhappy with that. I know I wouldn't!

dissentowner · 07-23-2014, 12:25 PM

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I'm 100% with you on this ... I'm goin to write something that will take the heat off you though...

... When I watch Gaudreau play, I see Gretzky in his style.. There, I said it and I ain't takin' it back!!

By the way, I'm NOT expecting a grandiose career out of Gaudreau... so no need for all the warnings about expectations.

Nothing wrong with that because that is what pro scouts have said, he thinks the game like Wayne. Nobody would read what you wrote and think you are implying Johnny will be as good as Wayne, not possible in this day and age. I think he will be our best franchise forward though in a few years.

TheDebaser · 07-23-2014, 04:35 PM

Does anyone know where to find that draft chart that broke down and compared different chl prospects stats using color coding and stuff?

robbie111 · 07-23-2014, 07:32 PM

Ferland: Lucic

Ferland needs to show he can keep scoring, the 17 points in last 12 games was a good start, if he can keep it up could become 2nd or even 1st line power forward.
Point a game would be lots to ask but maybe .8 per game would be more reasonable top end.
We shall see if it was small sample size fluke or the development of a Lucic type.

Enoch Root · 07-23-2014, 08:15 PM

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Ferland: Lucic

Ferland needs to show he can keep scoring, the 17 points in last 12 games was a good start, if he can keep it up could become 2nd or even 1st line power forward.
Point a game would be lots to ask but maybe .8 per game would be more reasonable top end.
We shall see if it was small sample size fluke or the development of a Lucic type.

I assume you are talking about in the AHL with respect to the bolded. Regardless, that is not the point of my post.

The reason I am so high on Ferland is that, with his toughness and speed, along with some decent hands, he doesn't need to have top line talent in order to be a valuable top line player.

I see him being something of a Clark Giillies, the big tough - and decently talented - RW on one of the greatest lines of its generation.

Trottier was a great two-way C who was under-rated offensively (Monahan?). Bossy was the star goal scorer (Gaudreau?). Gillies made sure that the other two were able to take care of business in a relatively unimpeded manner.

Now don't get me wrong - Gillies could play. All I am saying is that, because he brought size and toughness, along with some talent and a willingness to go to the net, he had a hell of a career as a top liner.

Had he been slapped onto a third line somewhere because that was his 'ceiling' it would have been a shame for him as well as the Islanders.

I have just always had this feeling that Ferland could (will?

) be a player like that.

robbie111 · 07-23-2014, 08:44 PM

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I assume you are talking about in the AHL with respect to the bolded. Regardless, that is not the point of my post.

The reason I am so high on Ferland is that, with his toughness and speed, along with some decent hands, he doesn't need to have top line talent in order to be a valuable top line player.

I see him being something of a Clark Giillies, the big tough - and decently talented - RW on one of the greatest lines of its generation.

Trottier was a great two-way C who was under-rated offensively (Monahan?). Bossy was the star goal scorer (Gaudreau?). Gillies made sure that the other two were able to take care of business in a relatively unimpeded manner.

Now don't get me wrong - Gillies could play. All I am saying is that, because he brought size and toughness, along with some talent and a willingness to go to the net, he had a hell of a career as a top liner.

Had he been slapped onto a third line somewhere because that was his 'ceiling' it would have been a shame for him as well as the Islanders.

I have just always had this feeling that Ferland could (will?

) be a player like that.

I like your comparible with Gillies and would add that Granlund although not a winger has a release and shot very close to Bossy's and finds open space like him as well and I think I made that comparison earlier in this thread. Gaudreau could be Trottier in that he would be feeding the puck more even though he's a winger. Would love to see a Gaudreau-Granlund-Ferland line in exhibition this year.

Hanna Sniper · 07-23-2014, 08:57 PM

Sam Bennett - Sam Bennett (season before his Calder rookie year)
Sean Monahan - Sean Monahan
Johnny Gaudreau - John Gaudreau (before he tried to grow the facial hair and had to shorten his name to appear older then he looked)
Sven Baertschi - Sven Baertschi (before he found his two way game... two way for him at least)
TJ Brodie - TJ Brodie (a less stronger and less mature brodie)

Split98 · 07-23-2014, 09:04 PM

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Sam Bennett - Sam Bennett (season before his Calder rookie year)
Sean Monahan - Sean Monahan
Johnny Gaudreau - John Gaudreau (before he tried to grow the facial hair and had to shorten his name to appear older then he looked)
Sven Baertschi - Sven Baertschi (before he found his two way game... two way for him at least)
TJ Brodie - TJ Brodie (a less stronger and less mature brodie)

...huh?