What will Sam Bennett get?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I'm given to believe that negotiations havent gone exactly smooth between the player/agent and the team.

This thing could last well into late September and even into the regular season if someone doesn't blink.

Or maybe his agent is busy with other things.

(which is what Treliving said, wasn't it)

[FBI]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Or maybe his agent is busy with other things.

(which is what Treliving said, wasn't it)

Hope so.. Please no stupid distractions to start this year..

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I'm given to believe that negotiations havent gone exactly smooth between the player/agent and the team.

This thing could last well into late September and even into the regular season if someone doesn't blink.

As an RFA with 0 arbitration rights and no breakout season, Sam's camp doesn't exactly have a lot of pull. Would be silly for him to let it drag out that long.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Or maybe his agent is busy with other things.

(which is what Treliving said, wasn't it)

IIRC it was Backlund's agent that was busy handling arbitration cases with some of his other represented players, haven't seen anything from Bennett's camp yet.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Or maybe his agent is busy with other things.

(which is what Treliving said, wasn't it)

No idea..but looking at the client list i find it hard to believe he is that busy elsewhere. Certainly no one else would carry more importance to their club or to his agency that isn't already under contract.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

As an RFA with 0 arbitration rights and no breakout season, Sam's camp doesn't exactly have a lot of pull. Would be silly for him to let it drag out that long.

I agree but that doesn't prevent dumb things from being...dumb.

It could be as simple as the club wanting longer term and the players camp wanting short term that takes them to arbitration rights. Maybe its merely $$, but i doubt it.

[jayswin]

I betcha Sam Bennett's camp only wants one year. After a tough start to his career, including basically a washed out critical development year, Sam looks to have shown major signs of starting to put it all together, and likely thinks he can put together a break out, and I don't doubt he will to be honest.

No way in hell he'll agree to three years, imo and even two years would be a reluctant signing on his part. This is a much more critical contract negotiation on Sam's part than I think a lot of Flames fans are giving credit for.

So I'd imagine the Flames started wanting three, Sam started wanting one, and they'll eventually meet at two, but Sam's side likely wants a big number for two years as they'll see it as a major concession to take two, where as the Flames will still want a low number for two.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I betcha Sam Bennett's camp only wants one year. After a tough start to his career, including basically a washed out critical development year, Sam looks to have shown major signs of starting to put it all together.

No way in hell he'll agree to three years, imo and even two years would be a reluctant signing in his part.

So I'd imagine the Flames started wanting three, Sam started wanting one, and they'll eventually meet at two, but Sam's side likely wants a big number for two years as they'll see it as a major concession to take two, where as the Flames will still want a low number for two.

1 year is not a large enough sample size to determine if henisnworth $6M long term. Bennett breaks out next year for 30 goals and 60pts I would still be hesitant to hand out the Monahan contract. If he does it twice then sure thing.

I agree all signs point to a 2 year deal. I wouldn't mind the Flames overpaying a bit to get the 3rd year. Say 3x3

[jayswin]

With all that in mind, my guess is the Flames want don't want a one year deal to the point where they'll eventually cave a little on a bigger number for two years (this is the assumption that I feel a lot of fans have wrong - that a two year deal will be super cheap).

I think we'll see $2.75-$3mil over two years. Do I think he's worth it at this point? No. But whether fans like it or not, you can't discount the pedigree of a high draft pick and future potential in contract negotiations, Sam has both of those.

He'll likely sign something in that range and then we'll probably finish our off season with Iginla on a reasonable deal shortly after that.

[Iniggywetrust]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

1 year is not a large enough sample size to determine if henisnworth $6M long term. Bennett breaks out next year for 30 goals and 60pts I would still be hesitant to hand out the Monahan contract. If he does it twice then sure thing.

I agree all signs point to a 2 year deal. I wouldn't mind the Flames overpaying a bit to get the 3rd year. Say 3x3

Tell that to the Oilers and Leon Draisitel. One good season and looking at. 5- 7 million dollar cap hit.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

1 year is not a large enough sample size to determine if henisnworth $6M long term. Bennett breaks out next year for 30 goals and 60pts I would still be hesitant to hand out the Monahan contract. If he does it twice then sure thing.

I agree all signs point to a 2 year deal. I wouldn't mind the Flames overpaying a bit to get the 3rd year. Say 3x3

Diagree, the landscape has changed in regards to contracts. A young, high draft pick that was already showing signs of putting it together can certainly get a $6mil+ contract (cap hit) with said break out season.

Especially 30 goals, 60 points like you mentioned. If that's what Bennett can do next season and he's on a one year contract, he's signing a big one next summer and that's what he's banking on and what's keeping this negotiation going, imo.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

Tell that to the Oilers and Leon Draisitel. One good season and looking at. 5- 7 million dollar cap hit.

I'll take the over for $1,000 please

[jayswin]

Yep. GM's pay for potential now on young players, whether that's through high cap hits or long term (aka Nashville). Money that use to go to 29-32 year olds for "everything they've done" now goes to 20-23 year olds for one or two big seasons with the relative security that they're a good player that will keep improving or at least keep producing at that pace.

GM's used to bet on older players continuing their consistent numbers, now they bet on younger players improving on limited big numbers. Either way they're still betting, but the returns are better these days for GM's betting on the young side instead of old.

[Sylvanfan]

I see a lot of people willing to pay him a lot for 2 years. I'm not going over 2AAV for 2 years. I'd go to 2.5 for 3 or 3.25 for 4.
Salary of 1.75/2.25/3.5/5.5. To me that's showing a pretty strong commitment to the player. Its very close to what Galchenyuk has received from Montreal considering that this first season is more like the third year of an entry level deal.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I see a lot of people willing to pay him a lot for 2 years. I'm not going over 2AAV for 2 years. I'd go to 2.5 for 3 or 3.25 for 4.
Salary of 1.75/2.25/3.5/5.5. To me that's showing a pretty strong commitment to the player. Its very close to what Galchenyuk has received from Montreal considering that this first season is more like the third year of an entry level deal.

It has nothing to do with what fans are willing to pay, it's what he's negotiating for and what he'll likely get. If I'm going by what he's produced and shown, I'm not willing to go over $2/2 as a fan either, but I highly doubt he'll come in at that.

I have no insider info, but I strongly believe the fundamental difference we'll end up seeing between reality and fan perception is two things;

1. We think the stalemate is between two years on Bennett's side and three years on the Flames side, where as the actual stalemate will end up being between one year and two years and the AAV being negotiated will be higher than what fans think two years is worth.

2. That draft pedigree and potential don't mean anything in an RFA contract negotiation. It does.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

Tell that to the Oilers and Leon Draisitel. One good season and looking at. 5- 7 million dollar cap hit.

He had over 50pts the same season Sam had 36pts. He has had 2 good seasons in my opinion

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by transplant99

No idea..but looking at the client list i find it hard to believe he is that busy elsewhere. Certainly no one else would carry more importance to their club or to his agency that isn't already under contract.

It is not even yet August. Sean Monahan did not sign last year until 19 August. I suppose it could be that "negotiations havent gone exactly smooth between the player/agent and the team," but with a full week of July left this belief seems massively premature.

[SmoggyFlamesFan]

I wonder what the hold up with this deal is. Probably just Treliving working his extreme wizardry as always. Bennett's camp will crack eventually. Just like the rest.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by SmoggyFlamesFan

I wonder what the hold up with this deal is. Probably just Treliving working his extreme wizardry as always. Bennett's camp will crack eventually. Just like the rest.

Just usual negotiations, happens every summer with several RFAs

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by SmoggyFlamesFan

I wonder what the hold up with this deal is. Probably just Treliving working his extreme wizardry as always. Bennett's camp will crack eventually. Just like the rest.

Why do people assume there is a holdup in negotiations?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Why do people assume there is a holdup in negotiations?

Because you know....maybe there is?