Edmonton is No Good Episode 4: New Rink, Same Stink

[Gaudfather]

Brings up an interesting comparison - would you rather have Mony and Johnny at about $13.25 MM or McDavid and Drai at about $21MM?

I know the term may be longer for McDavid and Drai by a couple of years, but for myself that extra $7.75MM of cap space is worth more than any premium for McDavid and Drai. Especially since we have not likely seen the best out of Mony and Johnny yet.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

Brings up an interesting comparison - would you rather have Mony and Johnny at about $13.25 MM or McDavid and Drai at about $21MM?

I know the term may be longer for McDavid and Drai by a couple of years, but for myself that extra $7.75MM of cap space is worth more than any premium for McDavid and Drai. Especially since we have not likely seen the best out of Mony and Johnny yet.

Depends what you do with that 7 mill. If it's spent on guys like Brouwer then it not really worth much.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by icecube

Depends what you do with that 7 mill. If it's spent on guys like Brouwer then it not really worth much.

It is so much better, though than having to forfeit that entire $7.75 m, and then also to have $15.5 m tied up for at least four years in Milan Lucic, Andrej Sekera and Kris Russell.

For as much as Flames hate Troy Brouwer's contract, the Oilers's cap situation is awful and hilarious.

Edmonton is no good.

[Oilers93]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

Brings up an interesting comparison - would you rather have Mony and Johnny at about $13.25 MM or McDavid and Drai at about $21MM?

I know the term may be longer for McDavid and Drai by a couple of years, but for myself that extra $7.75MM of cap space is worth more than any premium for McDavid and Drai. Especially since we have not likely seen the best out of Mony and Johnny yet.

Gaudreau and Monahan had 119 points.. COMBINED!

while McDavid had 100 all by himself.. then you add in Drai who outscored both Monahan and Gaudreau

The numbers speak for themselves

[keratosis]

How many points did they finish ahead of the Flames again.

[Sainters7]

9, but only 2 more wins. They were racking up those loser points

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Oilers93

The numbers speak for themselves

I know, right?

· Milan Lucic: $6.0 m until 2023
· Andrej Sekera: $5.5 m until 2021
· Kris Russell: $4.0 m until 2021

Hahahahaha!

[Oilers93]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I know, right?

· Milan Lucic: $6.0 m until 2023
· Andrej Sekera: $5.5 m until 2021
· Kris Russell: $4.0 m until 2021

Hahahahaha!

Sekera is a legitimate top 3 defenseman so don't know how that's a bad contract.

Lucic makes $120,000/point whereas Brouwer makes $180,000/point. Every team has bad contracts.

None of that has to do with McDavid + Drai vs Monahan + Gaudreau though.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Oilers93

Sekera is a legitimate top 3 defenseman so don't know how that's a bad contract.

No. Sekera is not a top three defenseman. The Flames have four, and two of them are each making $1.0 m less than Sekera.

Lucic makes $120,000/point whereas Brouwer makes $180,000/point. Every team has bad contracts.

While Brouwer is a poor contract, Lucic is signed for SIX MORE FRICKIN' YEARS. It is like an endless cyclone of wasted money.

None of that has to do with McDavid + Drai vs Monahan + Gaudreau though.

It takes another 21 players to make an NHL roster, and Edmonton's motley crew of overrated garbage creates such a drag on McDoggie and his faithful companion Leon as to make them practically negligible.

Edmonton is no good.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Oilers93

Sekera is a legitimate top 3 defenseman so don't know how that's a bad contract.

He's a top 3 defenseman on the Oilers.
The same team where Kris Russell is a top 4 Dman. Neither guy would crack the Flames top 4.

[AlbertaOiler72]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

He's a top 3 defenseman on the Oilers.
The same team where Kris Russell is a top 4 Dman. Neither guy would crack the Flames top 4.

ah yes, the Vaunted Calgary defense, where they've been chasing goalie after goalie out of town since Kiprusoff

I'm sure Hamonic and Stopgap Smith is the key for the Flames to finally reach elite defense status

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

ah yes, the Vaunted Calgary defense, where they've been chasing goalie after goalie out of town since Kiprusoff

I'm sure Hamonic and Stopgap Smith is the key for the Flames to finally reach elite defense status

Kind of like Devan Dubnyk. Edmonton, where 1st round picks are run out of town.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

9, but only 2 more wins. They were racking up those loser points

If you go by regulation wins Edmonton had 37 and Calgary had 32.

Flames made up ground with 3 on 3 and shootouts.

They had 17 ties to Edmonton's 19, but gained 13 extra points in those games to Edmonton's 10.

There really isn't any such thing as a loser point. Those always existed as ties. Rather they added a gimmick point for the team that wins the S/O or 3on3.

Under old school standings Edmonton would have finished:
37-26-19

and Calgary:
32-33-17

That's a bigger difference (12 points) when you remove the parts of the game that aren't really hockey.

[FlatLandFlamesFan]

What is that smell ? could it be the everlasting off season bravado of Coiler fans ?
ONE damned season after TEN years of bottom dwelling and still no humility , and they keep returning to the home thread of trashing them.

Hahahaa here is to Talbot returning to earth this year .Good luck with that exceptional forward depth btw ,let's not even try to compare D
back to the bottom of the league for you !

edit : I'll give an exception to OilStain and few others cause you're decent posters who are around all year but the rest of you P off!

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

ah yes, the Vaunted Calgary defense, where they've been chasing goalie after goalie out of town since Kiprusoff

I'm sure Hamonic and Stopgap Smith is the key for the Flames to finally reach elite defense status

Maybe... maybe not.

I know I would rather have Calgary's D rather than Edmonton's. Wouldn't you?

To steal a page from Lowe's book of quips - 'Every other NHL team would trade their roster for ours' nonsense:

"Every other team in the NHL would rather have Calgary's defence than the Oilers'."

Only that quote is not nonsense.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by FlatLandFlamesFan

What is that smell ? could it be the everlasting off season bravado of Coiler fans ?
ONE damned season after TEN years of bottom dwelling and still no humility , and they keep returning to the home thread of trashing them.

Hahahaa here is to Talbot returning to earth this year .Good luck with that exceptional forward depth btw ,let's not even try to compare D
back to the bottom of the league for you !

edit : I'll give an exception to OilStain and few others cause you're decent posters who are around all year but the rest of you P off!

Yep - beware the sophomore jinx. One good year does not a contender make. As Flames fans we saw it in 2015/16 season and the Oilers might be feeling it in 2017/18.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

If you go by regulation wins Edmonton had 37 and Calgary had 32.

Flames made up ground with 3 on 3 and shootouts.

They had 17 ties to Edmonton's 19, but gained 13 extra points in those games to Edmonton's 10.

There really isn't any such thing as a loser point. Those always existed as ties. Rather they added a gimmick point for the team that wins the S/O or 3on3.

Under old school standings Edmonton would have finished:
37-26-19

and Calgary:
32-33-17

That's a bigger difference when you remove the parts of the game that aren't really hockey.

Not at all to get into the whole Oilers no Good discussion but I tend to agree that records in regulation is important. I mentioned this a couple of times during the year but a couple of posters weren't happy with me about it. Yes teams should be rewarded for being good at 3 and 3 and shootouts, since they're in the rules. But since those don't exist in the playoffs, points from those parts of the game are a bit of a mirage.

I kind of agree that the loser point is the wrong thing on which to focus, vs. the gimmick point.

Wrong place for this I suppose but I'd like to see the Flames improve that record in regulation rather dramatically.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

...Wrong place for this I suppose but I'd like to see the Flames improve that record in regulation rather dramatically.

Strange Brew...

We have talked about this.

I am disappointed.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

ah yes, the Vaunted Calgary defense, where they've been chasing goalie after goalie out of town since Kiprusoff



I'm sure Hamonic and Stopgap Smith is the key for the Flames to finally reach elite defense status

Even if you think Calgary's endless cycle of goalies is the defense's fault (it isn't) we've only had Hamilton for the last 2 seasons, Stone for 1/4, Hamonic has yet to play and we don't have guys like Russell, Smid, Engelland and Wideman anymore.

Tell me, which of Giordano, Hamilton, Brodie or Hamonic, Sekera would replace? On paper, Calgary has a top 3 defensive core. On paper Edmonton has a bottom 10 defensive core. And rag on Smith all you want, he doesn't need to be elite, he needs to be slightly better than average. Numbers he easily put up on a terrible Phoenix team.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Oilers93

Sekera is a legitimate top 3 defenseman so don't know how that's a bad contract.

Signed til he's 35, and he's a top three in a pinch defenseman. I wouldn't take him over Gio, Brodie or Hamilton, and because of his age, I wouldn't take him over Hamonic.

Originally Posted by Oilers93

Lucic makes $120,000/point whereas Brouwer makes $180,000/point. Every team has bad contracts.

Come back and talk to us in a couple of years.

Originally Posted by Oilers93

None of that has to do with McDavid + Drai vs Monahan + Gaudreau though.

Yeah, but beyond that Calgary's depth is better, I will obviously grant Talbot over Smith, but if Talbot can't replicate his miracle season next year, the Oilers will be holding lottery draft parties again. And Drai at 9 million if that's what he signs for could be a boat anchor for a guy that obviously looks good with McDavid but beyond average without him.