American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS

[troutman]

Earth Day, and March for Science.

https://www.marchforscience.com

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[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

What? I suppose there does need to be a clearly defined middle. I think it's pretty clear that there is currently more government regulation economically then in Regans time. Politics has continually been moving further to the left as a whole on the spectrum since as well.

You are just so wrong on pretty everything you espouse. You buy into so many fallacies promoted by conservative dogma. Regan [sic] was this patron saint of all things conservative. He was a small government conservative that single handedly defeated communism! That narrative of "The Great Leader" is one that makes the North Koreans green with envy; spinning a story so detached from reality it is amazing anyone buys it. Reagan was responsible for the greatest expansion in American government in the history or the country. He was responsible for the greatest expansion in debt as well, and at astronomical interest rates. Reagan was a cut-and-run, negotiate-with-terrorists, big-spending, government-expanding conservative. But the only thing that really matters there is the last word. Reagan was a conservative, and for that reason he is a saint. He cut taxes on the rich and saddled that debt onto the middle class and poor, and for that he is remembered fondly, and a great mythos has been developed around him. Since Reagan the political center point has continued a continued a rapid move to the right, not the left, and the country suffers with each step.

It is pretty obvious that the number of left leaning media outnumbers that of the right.

When you're standing in the Pacific ocean and staring into the sun, pretty well everything else in the country is to your left. When you're so far right that Breitbart is your only trustworthy source of information, everything appears left.

The reality is that the media is neutral. If they appear to be left leaning it is only because most of the people who work in the industry were trained in journalism, a liberal art. Journalism relies heavily on facts, which are again tied to the sciences, which to the right are nothing more than leftist voodoo. Has it ever struck you that possibly your views are so extreme that every thing else just appears to be to your left?

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

We pay more taxes now in all classes. Is there more government regulations in place now or during Regans era?

Do you actually just repeat these mindless tropes rather than fact checking them first? I mean, they are just so easy to destroy.

http://federal-tax-rates.insidegov.com/

http://theweek.com/articles/469889/d...resident-obama

Military spending should be debatable, I know it's portrayed as a right wing philosophy but it requires tax dollars, small government shouldn't have a need for a large military. Leftist States spend large sums of money on military also, so you can't say that's just a right wing thing.

Except it is a RW philosophy. Every conservative that has come into office has been big into government expansion, mostly through the military and expansion of the military budget. You can try and argue that leftists spend large sums of money on defense as well, but when the United States spends more than the next seven (that number used to be the next twenty nations until the recent renewal of the arms race) you can't use that tired narrative as a defense.

Regulation means government oversight and entitlements. We see the government pass more legislation then we see them get rid of right?

No, regulation has nothing to do with entitlements. Also, you're ####ing right I'm owed those entitlements. I pay into them as an investment in my future and as a safety net in the event of unforeseen circumstances. They owe me that money! Or do you pay into your RSSPs and insurance policies not expecting them to be there in the future when you need them? Man, how pissed would you be if you got into a wreck and your insurance company decided they weren't going to pay out anything, in essence stealing your money. Worse, how would you feel if when you arrived at the hospital they turned you away and you were told your insurance wasn't accepted. Then, to pay for your care you go to dip into those RRSPs only to find that you don't have any money in them because your investment broker made off with them to pay for his yacht in the Caymans?

I was asking what definition of middle ground should we use? The Bolsheviks are almost more right then any political party in Canada, Socialism isn't it awesome!

Hey man, feel free to pick your ass up and move to Zimbabwe where there are no controls on anything and you survive off of what you earn. No support from anyone or anything. Just good old fashioned capitalism at work.

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

I said some of it is fair. I know this hard for you to understand, I'm not a Trump fan, he's terrible. The only pragmatic decision in my opinion was to vote for him over Hillary, not that he was a good candidate but she was demonstrably worse. I think both parties suck but the good cop image the Dems try to portray is such garbage, they are the party of division. Break everything down to Race, Religion, Sex, Gender, Class whatever they can to divide and then pretend they care, and people like you fall for it.

Riiiiiight. Like it was the left that started the culture wars. I forget, who was it that solid his soul to the Moral Majority to get elected?

[photon]

I heard mentioned on a podcast that since 1980, the entire increase in the GDP since then has gone to the top 1% wealthy in the USA. Crazy if true.

Anyway, USA Today reporters went out and found every piece of real estate owned by a Trump owned company, since each one represents an extremely easy way to bribe the president.

President Trump’s companies own more than 400 condo units and home lots whose sale could steer millions of dollars to Trump, a USA TODAY investigation has found.

USA TODAY spent four months cataloging every property Trump's companies own across the country. Reporters found that Trump’s companies are sitting on at least $250 million of individual properties in the USA alone. Property records show Trump’s trust and his companies own at least 422 luxury condos and penthouses from New York City to Las Vegas, 12 mansion lots on bluffs overlooking his golf course on the Pacific Ocean and dozens more smaller pieces of real estate. The properties range in value from about $200,000 to $35 million each.

Unlike developments where Trump licenses his name to a separate developer for a flat fee, profits from selling individual properties directly owned by his companies ultimately enrich him personally.

Trump has never disclosed a complete, unit-by-unit inventory of his companies' real estate holdings or sales, nor is he required to do so by federal law. Trump says he's separated himself from his businesses, but the trust set up in January is run by his sons. Trump is the only beneficiary and can withdraw funds at any time.

The volume of real estate creates an extraordinary and unprecedented potential for people, corporations or foreign interests to try to influence a president. Anyone who wanted to court favor with the president could snap up multiple properties or purposefully overpay. They could buy in the name of a shell company, making it impossible for the public to know who was behind the sales.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...one/100566302/

[photon]

I'm sure the free hand of the market will fix this really soon.

An ongoing Reuters investigation has found another 449 areas around the U.S. with lead exposure rates double those found in Flint. But cities across the country say pending federal budget cuts could imperil efforts to eradicate the toxic metal.

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/...a-lead-states/

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by photon

I'm sure the free hand of the market will fix this really soon.

Or the EPA since the people in charge now are only concerned with EPA cutbacks.

[direwolf]

Look out, folks. Here comes Trumpcare 2.0.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/20/u...ans-trump.html

White House officials, desperate to demonstrate progress on President Trump’s promise to repeal the Affordable Care Act, are pushing to resurrect a Republican health care bill before his 100th day in office next week.

Some members of the president’s team have grown consumed by that deadline, worrying that appraisals of the president’s tenure will be brutal and hoping that a last push on health care might bring a measure of salvation.

But Congress usually cannot take on two big things at once. At the same moment Mr. Trump hits his 100th day on Saturday, April 29, Republican congressional leaders face a far more urgent deadline: Much of the federal government will run out of money.

“The plan gets better and better and better, and it’s gotten really, really good, and a lot of people are liking it a lot,” Mr. Trump said. Asked if a health bill could pass as Congress tries to avert a government shutdown, the president said, “I think we’ll get both.”

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Look out, folks. Here comes Trumpcare 2.0.

What a moron.

This is what he really meant about winning.

We’re going to lose. We’re going to lose so much. We’re going to lose at trade, we’re going to lose at the border. We’re going to lose so much, you’re going to be so sick and tired of losing, you’re going to come to me and go ‘Please, please, we can’t lose anymore.’ You’ve heard this one. You’ll say ‘Please, Mr. President, we beg you sir, we don’t want to lose anymore. It’s too much. It’s not fair to everybody else.’” Trump said. “And I’m going to say ‘I’m sorry, but we’re going to keep losing, losing, losing, We’re going to make America suck again.”

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Here's the thing, I agree he should show his taxes. However, if he was avoiding paying the IRS don't you think somebody as high profile as him would have been thrown in jail? Why would he get a free pass?

[facepalm] its not avoidance of federal taxes that are an issue...it's probably going to show staggering investment in TrumpCo by Russian oligarchs. TrumpJr has already said as much...

Pay attention Dude..this is YOUR country that is being bamboozled out from under you...

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by New Era

You are just so wrong on pretty everything you espouse. You buy into so many fallacies promoted by conservative dogma. Regan [sic] was this patron saint of all things conservative. He was a small government conservative that single handedly defeated communism! That narrative of "The Great Leader" is one that makes the North Koreans green with envy; spinning a story so detached from reality it is amazing anyone buys it. Reagan was responsible for the greatest expansion in American government in the history or the country. He was responsible for the greatest expansion in debt as well, and at astronomical interest rates. Reagan was a cut-and-run, negotiate-with-terrorists, big-spending, government-expanding conservative. But the only thing that really matters there is the last word. Reagan was a conservative, and for that reason he is a saint. He cut taxes on the rich and saddled that debt onto the middle class and poor, and for that he is remembered fondly, and a great mythos has been developed around him. Since Reagan the political center point has continued a continued a rapid move to the right, not the left, and the country suffers with each step.



When you're standing in the Pacific ocean and staring into the sun, pretty well everything else in the country is to your left. When you're so far right that Breitbart is your only trustworthy source of information, everything appears left.

The reality is that the media is neutral. If they appear to be left leaning it is only because most of the people who work in the industry were trained in journalism, a liberal art. Journalism relies heavily on facts, which are again tied to the sciences, which to the right are nothing more than leftist voodoo. Has it ever struck you that possibly your views are so extreme that every thing else just appears to be to your left?



Do you actually just repeat these mindless tropes rather than fact checking them first? I mean, they are just so easy to destroy.

http://federal-tax-rates.insidegov.com/

http://theweek.com/articles/469889/d...resident-obama




Except it is a RW philosophy. Every conservative that has come into office has been big into government expansion, mostly through the military and expansion of the military budget. You can try and argue that leftists spend large sums of money on defense as well, but when the United States spends more than the next seven (that number used to be the next twenty nations until the recent renewal of the arms race) you can't use that tired narrative as a defense.



No, regulation has nothing to do with entitlements. Also, you're ####ing right I'm owed those entitlements. I pay into them as an investment in my future and as a safety net in the event of unforeseen circumstances. They owe me that money! Or do you pay into your RSSPs and insurance policies not expecting them to be there in the future when you need them? Man, how pissed would you be if you got into a wreck and your insurance company decided they weren't going to pay out anything, in essence stealing your money. Worse, how would you feel if when you arrived at the hospital they turned you away and you were told your insurance wasn't accepted. Then, to pay for your care you go to dip into those RRSPs only to find that you don't have any money in them because your investment broker made off with them to pay for his yacht in the Caymans?



Hey man, feel free to pick your ass up and move to Zimbabwe where there are no controls on anything and you survive off of what you earn. No support from anyone or anything. Just good old fashioned capitalism at work.



Riiiiiight. Like it was the left that started the culture wars. I forget, who was it that solid his soul to the Moral Majority to get elected?

Just have to say Thank You for such a great post.



to me, its absolutely stunning the amount of misinformation and flat out fiction in that poster's comments...literally gobsmacked...

more taxes? more left wing bias in the media? more regulation?! Politics moving to the left?! Its like he OD'd on Alex Jones' crazy pills

Good Lord, no wonder the US is at the brink of no return politically if the GOP base believes this kind of tripe...

News Flash: Brietbart and InfoWars are not legitimate news organizations!!

But hey I guess some folks just buy into "Alternative Facts" right?

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

All Trump supporters ARE dumb.

This narrative (while generally true) is counter-productive...Trump voters were/are economically hurting and Trump sounded like he understood that. The Dems need to empathize and stop with the 'holier than thou' crap. Liberals tease Trump voters at their peril.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

This narrative (while generally true) is counter-productive...Trump voters were/are economically hurting and Trump sounded like he understood that. The Dems need to empathize and stop with the 'holier than thou' crap. Liberals tease Trump voters at their peril.

While you are accurate, I find it hilarious that the Anti-PC crowd who is always worried about the "snowflakes" can't handle a few insults lobbed their own way. Hell, they freak out over being wished "Happy Holidays." Sensitive snowflakes indeed.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

This narrative (while generally true) is counter-productive...Trump voters were/are economically hurting and Trump sounded like he understood that. The Dems need to empathize and stop with the 'holier than thou' crap. Liberals tease Trump voters at their peril.

So they voted for someone who is going to make them hurt even worse. Not smart.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

So they voted for someone who is going to make them hurt even worse. Not smart.

That's pretty much it.

A large portion of the people who voted for Trump were dumb. There is just no way to get around the fact that most of them didn't know the ACA and "Obamacare" were the same thing. Or that the ACA for that matter, was largely a Republican based compromise on the original proposal. Or that that a billionaire who has never wanted for anything and doesn't know the difference between 7-11 and 9-11, and buys his steel from China; cares one iota for them. They fell hook, line and sinker for a career conman and snake oil salesman that anyone with half a brain saw coming a mile away.

And then there were the other side of the equation, who while not dumb; are guided by racist and misogynist ideology.

Things weren't going well for the old-stock redneck whiteman after having a black dude in office, that they decided to fluster#### everyone rather than have a female in office. They knew Trump would be a disaster, but were willing to accept that if it hurt the people they ignorantly think are their enemies. The "Hey, I don't like Trump either, but he is a necessary evil" group.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

So they voted for someone who is going to make them hurt even worse. Not smart.

Brexit in a nutshell!!!

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

This narrative (while generally true) is counter-productive...Trump voters were/are economically hurting and Trump sounded like he understood that. The Dems need to empathize and stop with the 'holier than thou' crap. Liberals tease Trump voters at their peril.

Yeah, and also not the types on comments we want on this thread, on either side.

Thanks for calling it out.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

So Trump handed out a Purple Heart today to a soldier injured in Afghanistan. He said 'congratulations'.

Just me or is that......odd? Wouldn't 'thank you for your service' or something be more appropriate?

[calgaryblood]

"Congratulations on being injured"

Yeah, pretty weird.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

Yeah, and also not the types on comments we want on this thread, on either side.

Thanks for calling it out.

Wait, you're all concerned about someone calling Trump supporters dumb, after the lengths a certain select few posters have gone to, unabated, while promoting completely asinine positions meant to inflame? This is like the whole alt-right fake news garbage during the election. Allow the lies to be promulgated through a false equivalency, suggesting their twisted perspective is on the same level as others, regardless of support in what the rest of us refer to as "facts."

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

"Congratulations on being injured"

Yeah, pretty weird.

Not for Trump