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Old 07-25-2017, 10:48 PM   #6801
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Exactly. The Republicans know the game being played here and how reconciliation works. They're trying to push this through against all norms of American government. This should have been dead this morning, but McConnell and his cronies are going to try and manipulate the system, just like they did with Merrick Garland's confirmation. The GOP has no soul.
that's why what McCain said bugged me so much.

He said a lot of things I agree with, but there was a TON of false equivalency in his talking points... he acts like both parties have acted equally bad, but anyone that actually has a memory, or even a desire to be relatively informed, can go back and see how the democrats went about passing Obamacare and compare that to the GOP's process to this point.

That are not comparable at all... not in the slightest.

They flaunt the facts because their base are too lazy, either literally or intellectually or both, to actually read up on the facts... Its this misrepresentation of facts that is really troubling to me.
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Please excuse my ignorance, but if from what I'm hearing correctly, Trump is essentially inferring that Obama and Clinton actually had Russian influence in the election. Shouldn't there be an impending lawsuit or at least a rumbling of same against Trump???
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Old 07-25-2017, 11:14 PM   #6803
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Please excuse my ignorance, but if from what I'm hearing correctly, Trump is essentially inferring that Obama and Clinton actually had Russian influence in the election. Shouldn't there be an impending lawsuit or at least a rumbling of same against Trump???
i think slander or defamation are pretty hard to prove in the first place... much more difficult when dealing with a manic personality like Trump...

Trump uses the shotgun tweet approach to the point where he can make the defense of he doesn't "mean" what he says... that they are hyperbolic as opposed to being intentional

I am sure scholars will make academic careers deconstructing Trump's approach... as someone wrote (sorry forget the author so I am paraphrasing here) they believed
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i think slander or defamation are pretty hard to prove in the first place... much more difficult when dealing with a manic personality like Trump...

Trump uses the shotgun tweet approach to the point where he can make the defense of he doesn't "mean" what he says... that they are hyperbolic as opposed to being intentional

I am sure scholars will make academic careers deconstructing Trump's approach... as someone wrote (sorry forget the author so I am paraphrasing here) they believed
Fair enough, but I've gotta think he's walking on the razors edge
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From this:

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Thank you to the LGBT community! I will fight for you while Hillary brings in more people that will threaten your freedoms and beliefs.

To this happening today:

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BREAKING: President Donald Trump announces that he plans to ban transgender individuals from serving "in any capacity" in the US military
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:38 AM   #6808
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Regardless of what you think of his policy choice, how ridiculous is it he made the announcement on Twitter? He's so afraid of the media it's laughable.
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Not on health care he hasn't.

He claimed he would repeal the ACA, as did all of the Republicans, and that is exactly what they are attempting to do now.

Those who voted for him and the Repubs knew exactly what they were getting when it comes to this issue.
But that's the thing, it has become clear since the election that many people didn't actually know what they were getting because they were woefully uninformed about what Obamacare was or did. Now certianly not being informed is on them but since people have become informed the polls on Obamacare have swung in the opposite direction with a majority of americans liking it or thinking that it should be used as the framework for improvements.

The public does NOT like what the GOP is doing on this subject whether they voted for them or not. Depending on the poll it's even questionable if a majority of republicans support the GOP on this option.

What this is, is a party hell bent on doing what their ideology is without listening to the actual public. Yes they were voted in partly for this reason, however, as public opinion changes they need to be able to respond with something other than hard core, stick to it ideology.

Heck they can't even get the support of the insurance companies or the large majority of medical associations. Literally the ONLY people this will help are the wealthy. Oh sure some younger people will think it's great not to have a mandate on them...until they get sick and can then never get decent coverage when they'll need it.
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"After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow......

....Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming.....

....victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you"
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Next he will introduce policy to assign all feeeemale service members chastity belts to abate that pesky rape problem.
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One of the more vocal Trump voters that I work with is a woman whose best friend is someone who served in the army with her husband. That person is currently transitioning from m-to-f.

I wonder if this might finally break through her thick skull that perhaps voting Trump wasn't the best idea. I doubt it.
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Trump must be listening to these guys...no surprise as they were on TV

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Gohmert is completely nuts. Perfect republican.
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....Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming.....

....victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you"
The only reason he's doing this is because it was a policy that was introduced under Obama. We all know Trump is obsessed with three things:

1. Hillary and her emails
2. His electoral college win
3. Erasing every possible shred of Obama's legacy.

Christ, he's such a vindictive and childish arsehole.
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Gohmert, King, and Rohrabacher. The holy triumvirate of stupid.
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Old 07-26-2017, 09:29 AM   #6817
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The only reason he's doing this is because it was a policy that was introduced under Obama. he knows what is best for America and is the only one who can make America right. We all know Trump is obsessed with knowledgeable about, more than anyone in history three things:

1. HILLARY!!!! and her EMAILS!!!!
2. His massive, historic, maybe the biggest ever electoral college win
3. Erasing every possible shred of Obama and his lies's legacy.

Christ, he's such a vindictive and childish arsehole. yuuuuuuge winner. Nobody knows how much winning he does behind the curtain. Everyone says so.
Ah, there we go, that's better.

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BREAKING: President Donald Trump announces that he plans to ban transgender individuals from serving "in any capacity" in the US military
this the weird doublespeak that Trump has been using...doing complete 180s on things, but embracing both while simultaneously rejecting neither

I don't know A) if its actually some clever ploy to confuse Joe Lunch Bucket, in which case, i would have to tip my hat and acknowledge him as a diabolical genius...

Or B) the earlier stages of dementia.
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Roughly half of voters who said they voted for Donald Trump last November, 49 percent, believe Trump won the popular vote, according to a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll. That's compared to 40 percent who say Democrat Hillary Clinton won.

Overall, a majority of voters, 59 percent, believe Clinton won more votes than Trump, but 28 percent believe Trump won more votes.


http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...ar-vote-240966
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There was this comment on reddit re: banning transgender individuals from the military:

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No, they couldn't. There's a lot of misinfo going on in this thread. I'm a soldier who actually received the briefing first hand from someone who helped create the policy.

Basically if you declare you are transgender, you'll get a plan set in place between you and a specialist. That plan is flexible, but basically states how far you'll transition, how quickly, etc.

While in this process of this plan, you will be non deployable, still be the gender you previously were (however command will accommodate you a needed), and constantly be evaluated for mental health.

Once transitioned to the extent of the plan, you are now given the new gender marker (and are treated exactly like that gender), are deployable again, but must continue checkups and continue taking hormones.

One issue most had with this is it's a very expensive surgery/process and effectively takes a soldier "out of the fight" for 1/4 of their contract or even more. So not only does someone else need to take their place, but Tri-Care (our health care) will take a hit.

Personally, I think the estimated number of transgender - especially those who would want to transition while in the service - is blown way out of proportion.
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/commen..._army/dkqt6fg/

I don't know what this means for people not transitioning. I suppose if you aren't transitioning, or have finished, you may not be considered transgender for this purpose. It's not exactly clear.
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