04-26-2024, 07:44 PM
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#12021
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Aug 2009
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But if you cut down the giant old growth trees, you can sell huge slabs so some rich **** can have an unnecessarily large live edge table.
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04-26-2024, 08:30 PM
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#12022
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by belsarius
Alright, lets do this...
Trudeau is totally Neelix. Friendly, talks too much, really has no discernable skills, and wears on you after a time. Usually successful by accident.
Freeland will be Kes. Could be powerful on her own, but really stuck on Neelix and only really good after she separates from him.
PP is Lon Suder. Mild Mannered, seems to be intelligent and focused, but really just a psyco under it all.
Jagmeet is a Harry Kim. Totally wants to do good and be the guy.. still an ensign.
Blanchet as Joe Carey. Good enough to do the job but nothing special or flashy
And for fun lets add Danielle Smith in as Seska. Thinks she's all that, and tries to use TBA (The Kazon) but instead ends up being used by them.
Finally Nenshi as the Doctor. Full of himself and thinks he is the smartest person in the room. He usually is, but his bedside manner could use some work.
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Good work sir! Top shelf stuff!
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04-27-2024, 08:00 AM
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#12023
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Trudeau’s government ####ed up badly on housing and immigration. They’ll likely get swept out of power over it.
But the conspiracy theorists are out to lunch. Trudeau isn’t a party to some globalist scheme to subvert Canada to a nefarious socialist agenda. His government fell prey to what has become the default mode of governing in this country: easy-way-out-ism.
Worsening dependency ratio in an aging population putting a strain on the delivery of health care and pensions? We could have difficult conversations about taxes, retirement age, and reforming the health care system. Or we could just kick the can down the road by importing loads of working-age citizens to fatten the base of the demographic pyramid.
Universities struggle to keep tuition low because we’ve told everyone they need to go to university to have a decent life, but we cut post-secondary funding in favour of other spending priorities (mainly health care)? We could have difficult conversations about credentialism, taxes (again), or why universities still operate on the same model they did 120 years ago. Or we could just look the other way when universities massively ramp up international enrolment as a way to juice revenue.
Productivity and investment in the private sector lagging behind our peer countries? We could challenge Canadian businesses to up their game, while reforming the tangle of regulatory costs that undermine their efforts. Or we could just paper over their weakness by importing loads of low-skilled workers to keep costs down.
The Liberals couldn’t resist going full-throttle on immigration because it temporarily salves over several chronic issues that Canadian governments don’t have the stomach to grapple with. The problem is, it inflamed the uber-problem of housing affordability.
I do have some sympathy for them, though. Just look at what happened when they tried to mitigate their relentless spending increases with higher taxes on the wealthy. When people saw what the threshhold was, and that it would affect highly paid professionals like doctors, the response was ”No, not THOSE wealthy!”
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04-27-2024, 09:52 AM
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#12024
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by blender
Not one of the 10 billion trees planted has grown into the equivalent of an old growth tree, and most likely never will. Old growth forests aren't replaceable. They are are a unique and interdependent ecosystem.
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My point was that there an adequate amount of trees being planted that can be harvested, and there is zero reason to touch old growth forests outside of managing the environment to keep it healthy.
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04-27-2024, 09:53 AM
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#12025
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
We could have difficult conversations about taxes, retirement age, and reforming the health care system.
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One of the first things Trudeau did was kneecap the retirement system even more by lowering the OAS age back to 65 from the previous plan to slowly raise it to 67 over time.
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04-27-2024, 10:24 AM
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#12026
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Originally Posted by blender
Not one of the 10 billion trees planted has grown into the equivalent of an old growth tree, and most likely never will. Old growth forests aren't replaceable. They are are a unique and interdependent ecosystem.
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That's what he was saying - you can cut down the new trees for all the wood we need. A mono-culture pine forest is very replaceable - old growth rain forest not so much.
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04-27-2024, 10:28 AM
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#12027
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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Originally Posted by Azure
My point was that there an adequate amount of trees being planted that can be harvested, and there is zero reason to touch old growth forests outside of managing the environment to keep it healthy.
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I understand it, but my point is that the trees being planted are not harvestable for timber. Good timber trees take a century to grow in Canada's climate. They are not a substitute for old-growth timber. Old-growth timber is a non-renewable resource
From 1999 to 2007 I planted a million of those seedlings. I also brushed, spaced, pruned and fertilized a bunch of them, and let me tell you, a ten-year old replanted tree is a sorry-ass Charlie Brown Christmas tree. Mortality is high as well. I don't know the numbers but a healthy portion of those Billion trees are not alive today.
I also planted a hundred thousand or so in Australia. There's a place to grow trees for harvest! A Eucalyptus tree can be 30m tall in 20 years. I drove through pine plantations there and also in South Africa that were impressive. But here, it just isn't possible to create timber trees on a timeline that is economical.
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04-27-2024, 10:45 AM
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#12028
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Originally Posted by blender
I understand it, but my point is that the trees being planted are not harvestable for timber. Good timber trees take a century to grow in Canada's climate. They are not a substitute for old-growth timber. Old-growth timber is a non-renewable resource
From 1999 to 2007 I planted a million of those seedlings. I also brushed, spaced, pruned and fertilized a bunch of them, and let me tell you, a ten-year old replanted tree is a sorry-ass Charlie Brown Christmas tree. Mortality is high as well. I don't know the numbers but a healthy portion of those Billion trees are not alive today.
I also planted a hundred thousand or so in Australia. There's a place to grow trees for harvest! A Eucalyptus tree can be 30m tall in 20 years. I drove through pine plantations there and also in South Africa that were impressive. But here, it just isn't possible to create timber trees on a timeline that is economical.
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Something like a white pine can grow 50cm a year. Timbre companies replant with plans to harvest in 40 or so years, from what I recall. Done properly, it can be a sustainable industry on long scale harvest cycles.
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04-27-2024, 11:12 AM
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#12029
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
Something like a white pine can grow 50cm a year. Timbre companies replant with plans to harvest in 40 or so years, from what I recall. Done properly, it can be a sustainable industry on long scale harvest cycles.
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Harvest for pulp or chip products, small dimensional lumber or plywood, maybe.
But don't kid yourself. You can't regrow big timber, and that is what old-growth logging is all about.
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04-27-2024, 11:22 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Hmmm. Well, maybe if we can have lab-grown meat, we can also do lab-grown wood? I have a two-person company the specializes in that area, I expexct I can get 56million from the government to further develop this amazing green technology.
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04-27-2024, 11:27 AM
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#12031
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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Originally Posted by ThisIsAnOutrage
Hmmm. Well, maybe if we can have lab-grown meat, we can also do lab-grown wood? I have a two-person company the specializes in that area, I expexct I can get 56million from the government to further develop this amazing green technology.
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Now we are getting this thread back on track!
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04-27-2024, 12:25 PM
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#12032
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by ThisIsAnOutrage
Hmmm. Well, maybe if we can have lab-grown meat, we can also do lab-grown wood? I have a two-person company the specializes in that area, I expexct I can get 56million from the government to further develop this amazing green technology.
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I have no knowledge of this but I bet that bamboo as a base stock for a pulp for this lab grown wood could be a good product. That stuff is a weed and grows ridiculously fast.
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04-27-2024, 12:42 PM
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#12033
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by calgarygeologist
I have no knowledge of this but I bet that bamboo as a base stock for a pulp for this lab grown wood could be a good product. That stuff is a weed and grows ridiculously fast.
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Hmm bamboo is a grass, not a tree, but it's an excellent start! Now we juet bamboo that can feed off of those micro-organisms that can eat plastic. Then splice that with an oak,.and we have it!
Just compaxt the great pacific garbage patch, dump a bunch of dirt and plastic eating microbe on top,.chuck in a bunch of BambOak (tm) seeds, and the world is a better place!
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04-27-2024, 12:44 PM
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#12034
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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Hemp is a very good alternative, but the industry has been stifled at almost every turn
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04-27-2024, 01:02 PM
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#12035
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by blender
Hemp is a very good alternative, but the industry has been stifled at almost every turn
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Get outta here you dirty hippy.
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04-27-2024, 01:08 PM
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#12036
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Van City - Main St.
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Originally Posted by blender
Harvest for pulp or chip products, small dimensional lumber or plywood, maybe.
But don't kid yourself. You can't regrow big timber, and that is what old-growth logging is all about.
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What about something like CLT being used in mass timber construction?
Can't that eleviate (eliminate) the need for old growth timber?
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04-27-2024, 01:23 PM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by ThisIsAnOutrage
Hmmm. Well, maybe if we can have lab-grown meat, we can also do lab-grown wood? I have a two-person company the specializes in that area, I expexct I can get 56million from the government to further develop this amazing green technology.
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Manufactured wood products is a huge industry.
Obviously needs wood chips and other recycled wood contents, but it is a multi-billion dollar industry.
And if done right it can be a huge way to store carbon over a long-term.
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04-27-2024, 01:24 PM
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#12038
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by blender
Harvest for pulp or chip products, small dimensional lumber or plywood, maybe.
But don't kid yourself. You can't regrow big timber, and that is what old-growth logging is all about.
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There are tons of sustainably managed forests across North America. I understand that old-growth forests can't be replaced, and should be protected, but there are ways to efficiently grow trees, harvest them and repeat the process.
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04-27-2024, 01:26 PM
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#12039
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Franchise Player
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Ya, I'm not sure where Blender is getting these ideas from, but I don't agree at all. I used to work with a white pine program where that was exactly what we were doing, finding the best candidates to replant for harvest. Some of them were growing 3-4 feet a year on Texada Island.
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04-27-2024, 01:28 PM
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#12040
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates
What about something like CLT being used in mass timber construction?
Can't that eleviate (eliminate) the need for old growth timber?
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Sure can.
BC approved up to 18 story buildings using CLT. Absolutely revolutionizing construction. At this point Jason Chiu and his team at UBC are doing some amazing pushing the CLT industry forward, and the province of BC is leading the charge.
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