04-21-2017, 10:17 AM
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#301
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
Bennett hasn't shown he has the vision and the awareness to use his linemates effectively. It's worrying that he still tries to beat guys one-on-one with junior moves. Maybe he'll take a big step next season. I don't know.
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This is my biggest worry with him as well.
He doesn't appear to be a great playmaker or very good at using his linemates well. Great tenacity, and puck skills, but think those other holes will prevent him from being a huge point producer in the NHL.
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04-21-2017, 11:51 AM
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#302
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Savvy27
Nothing... just one way of looking at his overall luck on the season. Saw it and was surprised by how low the number was. The 5 on 5 team shooting percentage was 7.55 (which would have been more relevant to post). For reference, Draisaitl's was 12.62%, Ehlers 10.56%, and Reinhart's was 5.13%.
So it looks like luck and linemates had something to do with it, as Reinhart's numbers are a bit lower too. However Reinhart made up for it on the powerplay.
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I agree with the luck part. My issue - and I don't mean to pick on you because lots of people do it - is applying PDO to an individual player. Shooting percentage is already a perfectly good stat for measuring shooting percentage (I.e. Shooting luck). Mixing it with the goalie's save luck makes no sense for an individual player. If Bennett played in front of Cary Price and raised his PDO 20 points because of it does it make him a better shooter?
PDO is a very broad brush indicator of overall team luck, nothing more.
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04-21-2017, 12:12 PM
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#303
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
So is Bennett the number 3 LW behind Gaudreau and Tkachuk?
Rather keep him at C than move him to the third line wing or off wing top 6
Bennett has developed a lot slower than I thought when he burst on the scene in the 2015 playoffs but I have liked his game when he plays with an edge.
I still see a future line of Tkachuk-Bennett-Lazar working out
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Does Bennett have to play LW? I'd at least give him a look on the RW.
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04-21-2017, 12:25 PM
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#304
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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There is an argument for opportunity and linemates being a reason his point production is not high, but the counter point to that is why doesn't he get an opportunity or line mates, and part of that reason is an inability to produce when given those opportunities and linemates.
He doesn't get PP time because he's not showing a ton of skill or possession numbers when he gets the chance.
Someone will have to let me know if i'm doing this right, but looking at his advanced stats for the powerplay, he looks like he's barely more productive than Chiasson and less productive than just about every other Flame for every 60 minutes of PP time.
Again, someone will have to let me know if I"m reading and using these statistics properly, but at a -1.9 CF% and 6 full-time forwards ahead of him, he doesn't really belong in a situation heavy on offensive skill. Combine that with the Flames having a large amount of their team skill on defence and there just aren't situations where he's going to beat out a better offensive player for minutes unless there is an injury in the top 6.
With the addition of Lazar, things could get even tough for Bennett in this regard.
If we got a Sean Coutourier instead of a Sean Monahan on our hands, I'm fine with that.
Maybe Cody Eakin as a career comparable?
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04-21-2017, 01:06 PM
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#305
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by jg13
Does Bennett have to play LW? I'd at least give him a look on the RW.
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I was thinking the same thing. A line of Gaudreau-Monahan-Bennett would be fun if it worked. Keeps the 3M line together for a pretty decent the 1-2 punch.
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04-21-2017, 01:42 PM
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#306
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#1 Goaltender
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I don't buy the linemates excuse. The kid did have his opportunities with better linemates, including 5-6 games as johnnys centre. He couldn't get it done. He doesn't utilize his linemates well, isn't a great playmaker, and has questionable IQ. Now with that said I still see a ton of potential. Hopefully he can put it together soon.
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04-21-2017, 01:46 PM
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#307
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Barthelona
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I was pretty down on him all season, but I really saw some great play in the last month/playoffs.
I think his points production will take a big leap into the 40-50 point range next season.
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04-21-2017, 01:47 PM
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#308
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One of the Nine
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Space Sector 2814
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Bennett was my favourite player to watch this playoffs.
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04-21-2017, 01:48 PM
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#309
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Hopefully Sam takes the Mark Scheifele route, I am really getting worried about him. Get him to workout with Gary Roberts.
Last edited by Par; 04-21-2017 at 01:55 PM.
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04-21-2017, 01:53 PM
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#310
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: London
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If I'm looking at Bennett, I focus on the last twenty games of the regular season and playoffs.
Also, he's bringing more than point potential to the table. He's more physical and tenacious than any other guy on that list in my opinion.
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04-21-2017, 02:01 PM
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#311
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
This is my biggest worry with him as well.
He doesn't appear to be a great playmaker or very good at using his linemates well. Great tenacity, and puck skills, but think those other holes will prevent him from being a huge point producer in the NHL.
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I always saw him as a jeff carter than a joe Thornton anyways....
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06-27-2017, 11:08 PM
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#312
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Calgary
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With the reasonable cap hit signings of late including Foo. I am wondering if room to re-sign Bennett for longer term while he is a bit undervalued.
4 or 5 year deal in the 3 to 4 million range?
Would avoid a rich contract scenario in 2 to 3 years if bridge deal?
BT seems to have cap room?
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06-27-2017, 11:15 PM
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#313
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Ontario
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I'd like to see what he can do on Jankowski's wing. This Flames team has done a great job at finding their pairs, and they work:
Gaudreau - Monahan
Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Jankowski?
I see the two being a good fit for each other. Bennett came into the league with the billing as a skilled player with an edge. Jankowski was drafted early for his high IQ and size. Bennett on the wing takes a bit of pressure off and allows him to simplify the game -- but this all works only if Jankowski can play 3rd line NHL next year.
I don't know what the RW would be, but there's options. Brouwer, Foo, Ferland or Versteeg are all players I could see on that role and bringing something entirely different to that line.
Would be a nightmare of a team to have all 3 lines rolling with those foundations.
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06-27-2017, 11:21 PM
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#314
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by edslunch
I agree with the luck part. My issue - and I don't mean to pick on you because lots of people do it - is applying PDO to an individual player. Shooting percentage is already a perfectly good stat for measuring shooting percentage (I.e. Shooting luck). Mixing it with the goalie's save luck makes no sense for an individual player. If Bennett played in front of Cary Price and raised his PDO 20 points because of it does it make him a better shooter?
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Shooting percentage and save percentage do have some mutual causality though. If you are getting saves, teams start taking chances they won't take otherwise. If you are leading in a game it is easier to score off those chances than it is to score while trailing in games. On per-shift level, feeling that you will get a save will give a player like Bennett more comfort in trying to sauce a pass over that might have been a shot on goal otherwise. There is also the coach effect on deciding whether a line or pair is working. All the same mistakes but getting some saves can keep a line together until their shooting percentage normalizes, but no saves and it's to the bench and line blender.
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