09-11-2014, 09:08 AM
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Norm!
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Judge had to phone his bank to make sure that the check cleared.
Once again this shows that if your rich and or famous your going to get breaks that us normal people don't get.
I looked back at what the prosecution did, and I just don't see how the Judge can arrive at this verdict.
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09-11-2014, 04:30 PM
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#162
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
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Wow. There's going to be lots of people scratching their heads at this one around the world.
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09-11-2014, 04:34 PM
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#163
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NO part of my is surprised that a South Africian court has ruled this way.
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09-11-2014, 04:36 PM
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#164
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As he fired four bullets into the bathroom of his home in Pretoria on Valentine's Day last year, he did not foresee the "possibility that he would kill the person behind the door, let alone the deceased, as he thought she was in the bedroom at the time," Masipa said.
Evidence suggests that Pistorius genuinely believed the person in the bathroom was an intruder, although that is irrelevant to the case, the judge said.
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Masipa cast doubt on witness testimony and said she believes media coverage contaminated testimonies. She doubted state witnesses, saying they were in and out of sleep the night of the killing
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She described the victim's wound as "immediately incapacitating" and said she believed a scream heard by witnesses the night of the killing was Pistorius,' not Steenkamp's.
The judge appeared to be accepting the defense timeline of events that the shots came first, then screaming that must have been Pistorius.
She knocked down some aspects of the state's case: the fact that Steenkamp took her phone and locked herself in the bathroom allegedly out of fear for her safety, phone messages between the couple that showed some rocky patches, and her stomach contents.
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/11/world/...html?hpt=hp_t2
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09-11-2014, 04:49 PM
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Norm!
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Wow, reading through that is pretty stunning, the judge seems to be jumping to a lot of conclusions, especially around the time line.
I wouldn't be shocked if she hands out a wrist slap in sentencing and sends him on his way. It sounds like she also chose to ignore the phone messages that pointed to a troubled relationship
Hopefully nobody pays this guy to race ever again.
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09-11-2014, 04:51 PM
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#166
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
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It seems absolutely rigged. Basically gives Oscar the benefit of the doubt in every scenario.
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09-11-2014, 04:54 PM
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Norm!
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Thanks, I guess that's what I was trying to say.
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09-12-2014, 04:32 AM
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A South African judge on Friday found Oscar Pistorius guilty of culpable homicide, or negligent killing, in the shooting death of girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp and declared him not guilty of murder.
The sentence for a culpable homicide conviction is at the judge's discretion, and it can range from a suspended sentence and a fine to up to a maximum of 15 years in prison. Sentencing was expected to be announced at a later date, when both sides could present arguments ahead of the same judge.
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http://espn.go.com/olympics/trackand...pable-homicide
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09-12-2014, 04:47 AM
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#169
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
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Judge's discretion? This should be interesting.
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09-12-2014, 06:55 AM
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Unfortunately it sounds like it'll be more surprising if he gets any jail time than if he walks. Seen a few experts say that this conviction usually does not result in jail time, so most likely it'll be a fine and suspended sentence or house arrest. His absurd histrionics make him a prime suicide candidate in jail, so the judge will probably not even consider sending him.
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The prosecution, she said, had failed to bring “strong circumstantial evidence” to support its case of murder, while Mr. Pistorius’s version of events “could reasonably be true.”
After the shooting, Mr. Pistorius had been prompt in calling for help, the judge said. He prayed to God and sought to resuscitate Ms. Steenkamp, a model and law-school graduate, and his behavior, the judge said, “was inconsistent” with that of someone who wanted to commit murder.
Moreover, she said, “it cannot be said that the accused did not entertain a genuine belief that there was an intruder in the house.” He could thus not be found guilty on murder charges, Judge Masipa said
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/13/wo...=top-news&_r=1
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09-12-2014, 08:41 AM
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I have not been following the case and the evidence that closely. Seems to me if it was reasonably "possible" Oscar thought it was an intruder, the Judge could not conclude premeditated murder, and had to go with a lesser count of manslaughter. It is hard to prove a circumstantial case beyond a reasonable doubt.
Did he "probably" murder her? That seems likely, but likely is not as high a standard as beyond a reasonable doubt.
I'm also assuming the law in South Africa is similar to ours.
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09-12-2014, 08:51 AM
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I think this case proves that in law the end always depends on interpretation of the judge or jury on what is reasonable or not.
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09-12-2014, 09:47 AM
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#173
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I just hate it when people get away with murder. "Reasonable doubt" yeah right. I just hate how everything points to him murdering her but since there's a tiny smidgen of doubt he gets away with it and the victim's family have to cope with no justice paid for their loss. I hope this guys life falls apart like OJ's.
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09-12-2014, 09:55 AM
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He made most of his money from endorsement. I don't think he'll be in high demand in that regard anymore. Even if there's no jail term for him, he's ruined financially like OJ Simspon was.
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09-12-2014, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by troutman
I have not been following the case and the evidence that closely. Seems to me if it was reasonably "possible" Oscar thought it was an intruder, the Judge could not conclude premeditated murder, and had to go with a lesser count of manslaughter. It is hard to prove a circumstantial case beyond a reasonable doubt.
Did he "probably" murder her? That seems likely, but likely is not as high a standard as beyond a reasonable doubt.
I'm also assuming the law in South Africa is similar to ours.
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It just might be the application of that law that differs.............
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09-12-2014, 10:22 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I just hate it when people get away with murder. "Reasonable doubt" yeah right. I just hate how everything points to him murdering her but since there's a tiny smidgen of doubt he gets away with it and the victim's family have to cope with no justice paid for their loss. I hope this guys life falls apart like OJ's.
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That's just your point of view and obviously not the judge's.
Personally, I don't think the prosecution's case made a lot of sense and agree with the ruling.
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09-12-2014, 11:43 AM
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#177
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Wow, the South African OJ.
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09-12-2014, 04:14 PM
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#178
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The problem is if he stays in South Africa, how safe will the guy be? Seems to be the wild west at times down there. You gotta think apartheid and such is still an underlying issue with a lot of folks. He may be set free but he's probably going to be looking over his shoulder every minute down there. Doubt he's seen as a victim by anyone. OJ was seen as a victim by many black individuals who thought he was discriminated against. This guy I don't think has the same supporters, but probably just as many enemies.
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09-12-2014, 04:18 PM
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#179
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Originally Posted by fleury
The problem is if he stays in South Africa, how safe will the guy be? Seems to be the wild west at times down there. You gotta think apartheid and such is still an underlying issue with a lot of folks. He may be set free but he's probably going to be looking over his shoulder every minute down there. Doubt he's seen as a victim by anyone. OJ was seen as a victim by many black individuals who thought he was discriminated against. This guy I don't think has the same supporters, but probably just as many enemies.
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He and his dead girlfriend are white.
I don't think this has the same race issues OJ had.
You are correct that from a safety aspect, SA is a gong show. That being said he has plenty of money, and if you have plenty of money SA can be a safe place to live.
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10-21-2014, 02:56 AM
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#180
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