Airing our dirty laundry to the world?

[GP_Matt]

Andrew Scheer's trip to India is just the latest in a long string of opposition parties going outside of the borders and making us look bad in an attempt to boost their own image at home.

I find it a disgusting practice. I hated it when the Liberals were doing it to the Conservatives when Harper was PM and I hate it now when Trudeau is in charge.

I know we can't ban him from going but I for one will not vote for someone who does this kind of thing. Canada is too small on the world stage to be sending mixed messages. Fight all you want in the country but when a politician leaves the country he/she should do so as a representative of our current government and should only do so with the cooperation of the ruling government.
Scheer going to India to campaign for votes in Canada

[White Out 403]

Conservates love harming out reputation for political gain. I've seen a lot of them in fox news over the past few years. It's reprehensible.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Conservates love harming out reputation for political gain. I've seen a lot of them in fox news over the past few years. It's reprehensible.

Yes. Rempel is one of the worst, I find. I wish she would do her job instead of embarrassing us out there.

[GP_Matt]

I think the Liberals and NDP were equally bad when Harper was in power but I could be mistaken. It seems so petty

[CaptainCrunch]

The Liberals and NDP both sent envoys down to Washington during the Keystone Pipeline stuff, its an age old tradition.


I don't much like it, I do agree with the OP here, that if your representing Canada represent Canada, that doesn't mean that you have to be on the same page as the sitting government. I also think there's a difference between going on a speaking circuit since we're not saying that you can't have freedom of speech. But going to try to "fix" the governments and Prime Ministers performance over there does smack of pettiness and political opportunism.


To me this is the first real misstep for Scheer in terms of how he's going to combat Trudeau.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

To me this is the first real misstep for Scheer in terms of how he's going to combat Trudeau.

Why? We're not 'Canada' we are the definition of a divided nation.

We've had a Federally approved private pipeline that was eventually nationalized because we couldnt get it together. They did everything including promise to pay for it and that still wasnt good enough.

Then our Prime Minister thought that the nation of India was basically just an opportunity to dust off his 'Tickle Trunk' and turn the whole place into a joke. Brilliant stuff.

And now we're embroiled in a conflict with Saudi Arabia which provides necessary oil to Eastern Canada because thats better than buying it 'in house.'

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Locke

Why? We're not 'Canada' we are the definition of a divided nation.

How helpful is this kind of stuff though in resolving that issue? Regardless of who does it.

[Fuzz]

Maybe, MAYBE if it was a minority parliament. But like it or not, the Liberals have a mandate to run the country. If Scheer doesn't like how they are doing it he can get himself elected and negotiate with world leaders at that point. Until then, that's not his job, no matter how badly he wants it.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Maybe, MAYBE if it was a minority parliament. But like it or not, the Liberals have a mandate to run the country. If Scheer doesn't like how they are doing it he can get himself elected and negotiate with world leaders at that point. Until then, that's not his job, no matter how badly he wants it.

Fair points, I don't remember this being a discussion when the Liberals and NDP were visiting with American leadership over Keystone to try to kill it.


The bottom line is that I agree with you in terms of Scheer not meeting with govenrment leaders. However I have no problem with political leaders and opposition leaders going on a speaking circuit in other countries, or meeting with for example leaders of industry.

[Jacks]

Don't like it, never did.
Not sure why this couldn't go in the Canadian Politics thread.

[Fuzz]

I'm not going to go digging through the forums, but I would be "fainting couch" surprised if people on this forum weren't up in arms when the opposition was speaking against Keystone.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Wait... the trip hasn't happened yet. How do we know he's going to go over there and campaign for votes here? I mean, fair enough, it's what everyone always does, but he hasn't done it yet. So far he's said he's going to India, and while still in Canada, made statements about the trip that are designed to help his domestic political goals. Maybe I'm being naive, but isn't it possible that when he actually goes to India he simply serves as a representative of Canada as one of its political leaders and doesn't bash Trudeau or the Liberals to representatives from other nations? It's at least conceptually possible, right?

... Right?

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm not going to go digging through the forums, but I would be "fainting couch" surprised if people on this forum weren't up in arms when the opposition was speaking against Keystone.

If you do decide to go looking for a smoking gun see if any Lib/NDP supporters were defending the move. Not much support here for Scheer if he pulls the same bashing crap they did.

[guzzy]

I love that immediately after Trump called Trudeau out on trade (NAFTA), his top trade advisers invited Harper down to talk trade, among other things. It's the difference between negotiating between a businessmen/women and a drama teacher.

I do agree with Locke's comment about this country being divided. It is completely evident we are broken.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by guzzy

I love that immediately after Trump called Trudeau out on trade (NAFTA), his top trade advisers invited Harper down to talk trade, among other things. It's the difference between negotiating between a businessmen/women and a drama teacher.

I do agree with Locke's comment about this country being divided. It is completely evident we are broken.

Completely broken or just divided by politics and seeing it ramp up as an election nears like every democratic nation on earth?

Airing grievances on international stages to try to gain political points back hom or brownie points in other countries is just sooooo selfish, stupid and potentially damaging for a country our size.

We need to be clear in who we are and what we currently represent to the world through the leader the majority voted in, this is so much more important than people think. You don't fight politics outside the borders. It's about as dumb as Canadian citizens taking the world's direction on our own resources and protesting.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by guzzy

I love that immediately after Trump called Trudeau out on trade (NAFTA), his top trade advisers invited Harper down to talk trade, among other things. It's the difference between negotiating between a businessmen/women and a drama teacher.

I do agree with Locke's comment about this country being divided. It is completely evident we are broken.

Lame.

If Trump's admin thinks you are a good guy, you are prob a pretty ****y guy. And unlike Stevey Harper, Freeland won't kiss the moronic cheeto's ass.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by guzzy

I love that immediately after Trump called Trudeau out on trade (NAFTA), his top trade advisers invited Harper down to talk trade, among other things. It's the difference between negotiating between a businessmen/women and a drama teacher.

I’m sure that the Trump administration had Canada’s best interests in mind when they invited Harper. The difference between negotiating with a business person and a drama teacher? Do you not understand how these types of agreements are negotiated?

[jayswin]

Oh ****, the drama teacher crap again? I guess if I had paid more attention to that I wouldn't have bothered with a reasoned response to the post.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I’m sure that the Trump administration had Canada’s best interests in mind when they invited Harper. The difference between negotiating with a business person and a drama teacher? Do you not understand how these types of agreements are negotiated?

Clearly you haven’t read “Art of the Deal”! Trump only deals with the best people! Why negotiate with drama teachers like Trudeau when our main Harper is available to join the prestigious ranks of Putin, Un, and a scores of people under criminal investigation. THE BEST PEOPLE! Trudeau WISHES he could be part of that group!

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Clearly you haven’t read “Art of the Deal”! Trump only deals with the best people! Why negotiate with drama teachers like Trudeau when our main Harper is available to join the prestigious ranks of Putin, Un, and a scores of people under criminal investigation. THE BEST PEOPLE! Trudeau WISHES he could be part of that group!

Umm we better chill out guys or Clifffletcher is going to come in here and ream us out....