[Trade] Flames acquire Mike Smith (25% retained) for Chad Johnson, Brandon Hickey, & cond 3rd

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flamenfame

Not going thru a 1000 posts , Smith is a overrated goalie so I am very happy to see we landed Hamonic and re-signed Stone because Smith needs good defensive dmen in front of him. So reading justification and rah rah Arizona sucked wont cut it for me. Bad move.

I'm not especially high on this move, but you're ignoring that for us Smith has a cap hit of 4.250M x 2Y which lines up with promoting a Rittich, Parsons, or Gillies to the big leagues naturally. Smith wasn't brought in as anything more than a cost-effective stop gap who can give you 60+ games a year.

Bringing in most of the better goalies - Raanta, Mason, Bishop wasn't an option because of this. They either got more term or more AAV.

I might have preferred Halak for the same, but who knows if they would have accepted what we paid (Brandon Hickey rights)

That left Elliott VS Smith. A case to be made for either but at the end of the day Tre probably felt more comfortable with a guy who has done the 60+ game grind to eventually split the job with one of our prospects in a year.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flamenfame

Not going thru a 1000 posts , Smith is a overrated goalie so I am very happy to see we landed Hamonic and re-signed Stone because Smith needs good defensive dmen in front of him. So reading justification and rah rah Arizona sucked wont cut it for me. Bad move.

I suggest reading through the thread because it seems to me that you have formed an opinion from a set of preconceptions about the player. I did not like the trade when it happened, but after reading and hearing things from people who know a lot more about Mike Smith than I do helped me to feel much better about it.

I think that if you are able to evaluate the merits of the trade more rationally, as opposed to simply reacting, you will probably come to see it is not such a bad move for this team at this point in their trajectory.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Flamenfame

Not going thru a 1000 posts , Smith is a overrated goalie so I am very happy to see we landed Hamonic and re-signed Stone because Smith needs good defensive dmen in front of him. So reading justification and rah rah Arizona sucked wont cut it for me. Bad move.

So are you denying or ignoring that defensively Arizona was horrifyingly bad and allowed a ton of shots, but a ton of shots from danger areas.

I doubt that Corey Price would have been successful behind that gong show.

All we need from Smith is consistent at least average league goaltending and this team will see big improvement over the Flames with Elliot and Johnson in net.

We can't forget that Smith might be more complimentary to a Flames really mobile defense because of his puck handling skills.

With Arizona paying his salary, with a low price since Hickey wasn't going to sign here, and with low term. This could turn into a home run move for Treliving if as I mentioned above, we get league average goal tending every night.

I don't think that anyone can deny that Elliot and Ocho probably cost this team 5 or 8 wins last year, especially with how horrendous they were at the start.

Even 5 more wins for this team takes them into second in the Pacific.

So I think its a good gamble.

[1_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

So are you denying or ignoring that defensively Arizona was horrifyingly bad and allowed a ton of shots, but a ton of shots from danger areas.

I doubt that Corey Price would have been successful behind that gong show.

All we need from Smith is consistent at least average league goaltending and this team will see big improvement over the Flames with Elliot and Johnson in net.

We can't forget that Smith might be more complimentary to a Flames really mobile defense because of his puck handling skills.

With Arizona paying his salary, with a low price since Hickey wasn't going to sign here, and with low term. This could turn into a home run move for Treliving if as I mentioned above, we get league average goal tending every night.

I don't think that anyone can deny that Elliot and Ocho probably cost this team 5 or 8 wins last year, especially with how horrendous they were at the start.

Even 5 more wins for this team takes them into second in the Pacific.

So I think its a good gamble.

Definitely not Corey Price, possibly not even Carey Price

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I'm not especially high on this move, but you're ignoring that for us Smith has a cap hit of 4.250M x 2Y which lines up with promoting a Rittich, Parsons, or Gillies to the big leagues naturally. Smith wasn't brought in as anything more than a cost-effective stop gap who can give you 60+ games a year.

Bringing in most of the better goalies - Raanta, Mason, Bishop wasn't an option because of this. They either got more term or more AAV.

I might have preferred Halak for the same, but who knows if they would have accepted what we paid (Brandon Hickey rights)

That left Elliott VS Smith. A case to be made for either but at the end of the day Tre probably felt more comfortable with a guy who has done the 60+ game grind to eventually split the job with one of our prospects in a year.

They keys here are that Smith (unlike Elliott or Raanta) has proven to be a passable starter, that the salary fits within the team's cap structure, that the cost did not include any roster players or blue-chip prospects, and that the contract is for two years (which fits the anticipated development curves of our up-and-coming netminders). Smith's puck-handling skills are a little bonus that should benefit our highly-mobile defence, our transition game, our special teams and especially our already dominant overtime game. For two years, Smith should be an acceptable puck stopper, and should make those around him better due to his puck-handling skills. I'm not expecting him to be elite, but I also don't think that he has to be.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

This could turn into a home run move for Treliving if as I mentioned above, we get league average goal tending every night.

I don't think that anyone can deny that Elliot and Ocho probably cost this team 5 or 8 wins last year, especially with how horrendous they were at the start.

Even 5 more wins for this team takes them into second in the Pacific.

So I think its a good gamble.

I would call it a more of a safe move than a gamble (trading for Raanta or Grubauer would have been a gamble, since they have not shown that they can carry the mail on a nightly basis), but I don't think there is much chance that the move could end up being a home run. On the other hand, after the last two years, league average would be OK with me.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

Definitely not Corey Price, possibly not even Carey Price

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

Definitely not Corey Price, possibly not even Carey Price

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...56806&page=396

[Flamenfame]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

So are you denying or ignoring that defensively Arizona was horrifyingly bad and allowed a ton of shots, but a ton of shots from danger areas.

I doubt that Corey Price would have been successful behind that gong show.

All we need from Smith is consistent at least average league goaltending and this team will see big improvement over the Flames with Elliot and Johnson in net.

We can't forget that Smith might be more complimentary to a Flames really mobile defense because of his puck handling skills.

With Arizona paying his salary, with a low price since Hickey wasn't going to sign here, and with low term. This could turn into a home run move for Treliving if as I mentioned above, we get league average goal tending every night.

I don't think that anyone can deny that Elliot and Ocho probably cost this team 5 or 8 wins last year, especially with how horrendous they were at the start.

Even 5 more wins for this team takes them into second in the Pacific.

So I think its a good gamble.

35 year old goalie with a .913 career Sp 2.70 gaa career and a losing record is a waste of time . And people are day dreaming if they think he has any upside to his game. Fans will want to run him out of town by December mark this post.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by Flamenfame

35 year old goalie with a .913 career Sp 2.70 gaa career and a losing record is a waste of time . And people are day dreaming if they think he has any upside to his game. Fans will want to run him out of town by December mark this post.

Lol your so delusional. Your posts are so ridiculous i would consider deactivating your account. Totally laughable your not even funny

[RoughRiderRowdy]

He was good enough to be named to the 2014 team canada olympic team yet hes horrible

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

Lol your so delusional. Your posts are so ridiculous i would consider deactivating your account. Totally laughable your not even funny

Hey, what are your thoughts on Dougie Hamilton?

[AC]

Originally Posted by Flamenfame

35 year old goalie with a .913 career Sp 2.70 gaa career and a losing record is a waste of time . And people are day dreaming if they think he has any upside to his game. Fans will want to run him out of town by December mark this post.

Since you don't want to read the thread, here are some highlights:

@DarrenWHaynes
Many say ES SV% is a better indicator of a goalie's ability. Of 52 goalies with >40 starts the last 2 seasons, Mike Smith ranks 11th (.927).

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Mike Smith faced on average:

34.38 shots against per game last season
15.10 were low danger (Saved 98.01% vs. League Avg of 97.91%)
10.83 were medium danger (Saved 92.61% vs. League Avg of 92.50%)
8.45 were high danger (Saved 83.73% vs. League Avg of 81.17%)

Brian Elliott faced on average:

27.81 shots against per game last season
13.01 were low danger (Saved 97.82% vs. League Avg of 97.91%)
8.28 were medium danger (Saved 93.84% vs. League Avg of 92.50%)
6.52 were high danger (Saved 79.13% vs. League Avg of 81.17%)




Now that's finalized, I expanded on the above numbers.

Smith was above league average in all three categories, while facing more shots per game than any other goalie
Smith was better than Elliott in high danger and low danger save %
Elliott was below league average in high danger and low danger save%

@Fan960Steinberg
Interesting Smith splits:
Career vs. Edm: 15-3-1, 0.924 SV%
Career vs. SJ: 12-8-3, 0.942 SV%
Career vs. LA: 15-8-1, 0.931 SV%

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Flamenfame

35 year old goalie with a .913 career Sp 2.70 gaa career and a losing record is a waste of time . And people are day dreaming if they think he has any upside to his game. Fans will want to run him out of town by December mark this post.

Jeez sunshine I would actually take that 913 svpct behind this years defense compared to Elliot and Johnson's .910. Any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Again, go back and look at the train wreck that was Arizona last year Smith was .914 while seeing about 34 shots against per game and the Coyotes were pathetic in terms from shots from the danger zone. All things being equal his job should be a lot easier. I mean christ Elliot saw an average of 27 shots against per game and I'm sure his shots from the danger zone were a lot lower then Smiths.

BTW if I did the math right, if you had replaced Elliots games and Svpct and shots and gaa with Smith's svpct it works out to 1 2.36 gapg as opposed to Elliots 2.55.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flamenfame

35 year old goalie with a .913 career Sp 2.70 gaa career and a losing record is a waste of time . And people are day dreaming if they think he has any upside to his game. Fans will want to run him out of town by December mark this post.

Clearly you have no interest in attempting an honest review of your own opinion and entertaining the possibility that you could be wrong about Mike Smith.

I think chances are higher that by December you might be pleasantly surprised.

[jayswin]

Forget everything else, I'm just wondering how someone takes a vacation in 2017 without hearing or reading a single thing about their favorite hockey team? No phone or internet for two straight months? I ain't even mad, I'm impressed.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Forget everything else, I'm just wondering how someone takes a vacation in 2017 without hearing or reading a single thing about their favorite hockey team? No phone or internet for two straight months? I ain't even mad, I'm impressed.

Vacation is code for prison.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Hey, what are your thoughts on Dougie Hamilton?

I ate crow already. Im not sure what you want out of me? Your avatars embarrassing

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

I ate crow already. Im not sure what you want out of me? Your avatars embarrassing

Um, excuse me, my avatar is amazing.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

I ate crow already. Im not sure what you want out of me? Your avatars embarrassing

You are a Riders fan. There is nothing more embarrassing than that.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

He was good enough to be named to the 2014 team canada olympic team yet hes horrible

That was 3 years ago and he was the third stringer on a team who many expected goaltending to be the weakness (pre Carey Price becoming the best goalie in the world). Not the best argument.