2024 NHL Draft Thread

[Goriders]

We need to start cheering for Ott/Mtl/Ari to help us in the race to the bottom.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Every year we've been in the lottery, I think we are due. If there truly was a hockey god, they should be fair and reward the most anti-tank organization ever!

I cheer for the Flames. Unfortunately that guarantees that your scenario won’t happen.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Markstrom is worth more than moving up ~15 drafts spots.

Moving up in the 1st round is expensive. Maybe it’s the Flames 2nd + Markstrom for NJ’s 1st then. Cory Schneider was traded straight up for the 9th overall pick but he was 26 years old at the time with what was thought to be the prime of his career ahead of him. We can’t forget that Markstrom has only 2 years left and will be 36 when his contract expires.

[Major Major]

The pressure is absolutely on in NJ. I don't think they love Ullmark, Saros likely isn't available... Who else is there? Fitz is a 10 game segment away from getting canned if he doesn't start with .900 goaltending. They'll pay the first.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Major Major

The pressure is absolutely on in NJ. I don't think they love Ullmark, Saros likely isn't available... Who else is there? Fitz is a 10 game segment away from getting canned if he doesn't start with .900 goaltending. They'll pay the first.

I think they could pay the first, but not the 2024 one. They likely bet that they are a better team next year and cough up a 2025 with some level of protection.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think they could pay the first, but not the 2024 one. They likely bet that they are a better team next year and cough up a 2025 with some level of protection.

Easy pass. I hope they use the leverage. They may well have no other options and it is highly likely that even if they did they are so in love with Marky that they will pay.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think they could pay the first, but not the 2024 one. They likely bet that they are a better team next year and cough up a 2025 with some level of protection.

We have a lot of draft picks now. Probably a good idea to spread them out so if you hit on all of them you don’t have to pay them all at the same time.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Easy pass. I hope they use the leverage. They may well have no other options and it is highly likely that even if they did they are so in love with Marky that they will pay.

Both teams have leverage
There are only so many #1 goalies available
There are only so many teams that need a #1 goalie.

Who blinks first?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Major Major

The pressure is absolutely on in NJ. I don't think they love Ullmark, Saros likely isn't available... Who else is there? Fitz is a 10 game segment away from getting canned if he doesn't start with .900 goaltending. They'll pay the first.

Well if Fitz is still interested I’m sure Conman will hear about it through the media.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Goriders

We have a lot of draft picks now. Probably a good idea to spread them out so if you hit on all of them you don’t have to pay them all at the same time.

Generally agree but I also see NJD as a team on the upswing and that this year was more of a blip. The 2024 pick will likely be higher than the 2025 or 2026 picks. I preferred the later pick for Vegas but for NJD I'd prefer the 2024 pick. Just don't see it as being likely.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think they could pay the first, but not the 2024 one. They likely bet that they are a better team next year and cough up a 2025 with some level of protection.

I’d happily take a ‘25 1st.

Two first round picks in each of 24, 25, and 26 is a pretty good position to be in.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Both teams have leverage
There are only so many #1 goalies available
There are only so many teams that need a #1 goalie.

Who blinks first?

My guess is Fitz. Conroy can sit on markstrom. Fitz can't afford to not take a swing on goalies.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Major Major

The pressure is absolutely on in NJ. I don't think they love Ullmark, Saros likely isn't available... Who else is there? Fitz is a 10 game segment away from getting canned if he doesn't start with .900 goaltending. They'll pay the first.

Pucks and pitchforks had an article suggesting Thompson, Gustavsson and ###melka as options if prices are too high. I've never been a fan of right-catching goalies, so that leaves one and it's questionable if Gustavsson is better than Allen. Thompson is a Band-Aid, ###melka is a huge unknown.

https://pucksandpitchforks.com/posts...-talks-about/3

Fitz won't overpay. That is clear.

Holtz + 1st (unprotected) should be enough for both sides. Some form of sweetener will be needed from NJ if there is retention.

TBH none of the goalie options are particularly appealing.

[Niemo]

I wonder if there is a better quality haul of futures to be had if we take on the last 3 years of Palats bad contract (6MM) from NJD.

Markstrom
for
Palat + 2024 1st + 2026 Unprotected 1st + 2nd 2025.

Then trade Mangiapane (50% Retained) for a 2nd Round Pick (or 3rd + 4th).
Kuzmenko (50% Retained) for a 2nd Round Pick.
Rasmus Andersson to Detroit for 2024 1st + Marco Kasper.
Jakob Pelletier + Something to MTL for our Conditional 1st back (most likely Florida's 2025 1st).

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Pucks and pitchforks had an article suggesting Thompson, Gustavsson and ###melka as options if prices are too high. I've never been a fan of right-catching goalies, so that leaves one and it's questionable if Gustavsson is better than Allen. Thompson is a Band-Aid, ###melka is a huge unknown.

https://pucksandpitchforks.com/posts...-talks-about/3

Fitz won't overpay. That is clear.

Holtz + 1st (unprotected) should be enough for both sides. Some form of sweetener will be needed from NJ if there is retention.

TBH none of the goalie options are particularly appealing.

Is their 1st this year not equivalent or less than the package you listed? I actually think the '24 first is pretty reasonable compared to other pieces that have speculated on. No sweetener for retention either.

Lol at that swear filter. This site sometimes

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Niemo

I wonder if there is a better quality haul of futures to be had if we take on the last 3 years of Palats bad contract (6MM) from NJD.

Markstrom
for
Palat + 2024 1st + 2026 Unprotected 1st + 2nd 2025.

Then trade Mangiapane (50% Retained) for a 2nd Round Pick (or 3rd + 4th).
Kuzmenko (50% Retained) for a 2nd Round Pick.
Rasmus Andersson to Detroit for 2024 1st + Marco Kasper.
Jakob Pelletier + Something to MTL for our Conditional 1st back (most likely Florida's 2025 1st).

I’d keep Kuzmenko and Anderson out of your list.

I think Markstrom and Mangiapane will be leaving. I don’t disagree with you on Pelletier. One thing is for certain. This offseason will be very interesting. There are a number of young players ready to graduate. A ton of new prospects. Potential for a pretty good player out of this draft. A few underperforming vets and a ton of capspace.

Play your cards right and the team could still be half decent next season with the prospect and draft pick cupboard refilled.

[Jiri Hrdina]

That pick has too much potential value for Montreal to move it for Pelletier + something. Unless that something is Dustin Wolf.
At worst it's Florida's pick, but the chance it is a pick in the teens makes it very appealing to hold on to. You'd have to give them something really good for them to give that up.

[1qqaaz]

The draft thread consistently has some of the best quality discussions on CalgaryPuck.
I don't necessarily agree with everything that is being said, but it's interesting to see people's takes and their reasoning behind them.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That pick has too much potential value for Montreal to move it for Pelletier + something. Unless that something is Dustin Wolf.
At worst it's Florida's pick, but the chance it is a pick in the teens makes it very appealing to hold on to. You'd have to give them something really good for them to give that up.

I wouldn't trade Pelletier for a late first. He's too valuable to what this team is trying to build. Would I trade him for a 11-16 pick. I guess I probably would, but it would also depend on circumstance. Like, I wouldn't trade Pelletier for this year's 16 OA pick without an unexpected draft day fall.

Anyhow, given the probability of how that pick ends up, I wouldn't trade for it with Pelletier.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Major Major

I wouldn't trade Pelletier for a late first. He's too valuable to what this team is trying to build. Would I trade him for a 11-16 pick. I guess I probably would, but it would also depend on circumstance. Like, I wouldn't trade Pelletier for this year's 16 OA pick without an unexpected draft day fall.

Anyhow, given the probability of how that pick ends up, I wouldn't trade for it with Pelletier.

I have a different view. I think his value is at best a late first. I like the player but he's had injury problems, and is shaping up to be a bottom 6 forward at best.
So for a mid round 1st (20 or higher) I'd be all over it.