That's the thing though. Do they feel its the right thing to do, or are they doing it because they know this battle is lost and it makes them un-electable? I'm sure some feel the former, but I get the feeling for a lot it is the latter.
Only in the world of left wing politics is a course change by the NDP or Liberals worthy of unquestioned praise, while a change by the Conservatives should only be met with cynicism.
The Liberals under Chretien voted more than once to support the "traditional definition of marriage" too. They ultimately changed course as well, despite the obviously held beliefs of many of their MPs at the time (given the vote). Should that have been viewed as cynically as you view this?
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Only in the world of left wing politics is a course change by the NDP or Liberals worthy of unquestioned praise, while a change by the Conservatives should only be met with cynicism.
That's pretty over-dramatic, something often found in the world of right wing politics.
I think it's an obvious and good move. Honestly, if the conservatives could get these little issues sorted and get themselves on a more modern social track, they'd have my vote. They also need a proper leader than can stand up as the "adult" in the whole Trudeau/Mulcair mix. If they go with someone catty and showy that's just like the others, they're not doing Canada any favours.
Only in the world of left wing politics is a course change by the NDP or Liberals worthy of unquestioned praise, while a change by the Conservatives should only be met with cynicism.
The Liberals under Chretien voted more than once to support the "traditional definition of marriage" too. They ultimately changed course as well, despite the obviously held beliefs of many of their MPs at the time (given the vote). Should that have been viewed as cynically as you view this?
It has nothing to do with politics, I'm just cynical. I'd be cynical of the Liberals changing policy to be more supportive of gun rights if they thought it would get them votes, too.
I'm not sure why every viewpoint has to be immediately hit with a "oh, that's so Liberal of you" or "that's a Conservative talking point" or "Communist!" Sometimes people just express their feelings and isn't in support of any particular party. I feel the move is not a shift in their core, it's an attempt to appeal to voters. You can call me cynical, but don't try to turn it into hypocrisy. It's not.
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it has nothing to do with politics, i'm just cynical. I'd be cynical of the liberals changing policy to be more supportive of gun rights if they thought it would get them votes, too.
I'm not sure why every viewpoint has to be immediately hit with a "oh, that's so liberal of you" or "that's a conservative talking point" or "communist!" sometimes people just express their feelings and isn't in support of any particular party. I feel the move is not a shift in their core, it's an attempt to appeal to voters. You can call me cynical, but don't try to turn it into hypocrisy. It's not.
It has nothing to do with politics, I'm just cynical. I'd be cynical of the Liberals changing policy to be more supportive of gun rights if they thought it would get them votes, too.
I'm not sure why every viewpoint has to be immediately hit with a "oh, that's so Liberal of you" or "that's a Conservative talking point" or "Communist!" Sometimes people just express their feelings and isn't in support of any particular party. I feel the move is not a shift in their core, it's an attempt to appeal to voters. You can call me cynical, but don't try to turn it into hypocrisy. It's not.
Um, correcting three misplaced capital letters while completely ignoring the most basic ones (such as the ones to begin a sentence, capitalizing "I", "I'm", etc...) is the most epic fyp-fail I have ever seen on CP.
Um, correcting three misplaced capital letters while completely ignoring the most basic ones (such as the ones to begin a sentence, capitalizing "I", "I'm", etc...) is the most epic fyp-fail I have ever seen on CP.
As someone with a Poli Sci degree will tell you (which I have), there is a huge difference between using the term liberal and Liberal, the capitalized of which refers to the political party while the small l liberal refers to the ideology and the same goes for conservative, communist, etc. *mic drop*
As someone with a Poli Sci degree will tell you (which I have), there is a huge difference between using the term liberal and Liberal, the capitalized of which refers to the political party while the small l liberal refers to the ideology and the same goes for conservative, communist, etc. *mic drop*
You still missed the very first word. Also, don't drop microphones. They're expensive.
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As someone with a Poli Sci degree will tell you (which I have), there is a huge difference between using the term liberal and Liberal, the capitalized of which refers to the political party while the small l liberal refers to the ideology and the same goes for conservative, communist, etc. *mic drop*
As someone with a poli sci degree, the OP was correct because he was talking about parties and not ideologies. So yeah, pretty big fail.
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That's the thing though. Do they feel its the right thing to do, or are they doing it because they know this battle is lost and it makes them un-electable? I'm sure some feel the former, but I get the feeling for a lot it is the latter.
To me, "conservatism" in the social sense is the idea that we don't change things just because someone thinks it's a good idea. We value what we've built, and we are very judicious when it comes to changing that because quite often these changes have unintended consequences. We didn't invent "marriage," so we should be very careful changing the definition of what it is.
Conversely, "liberalism" believes in the idea that we should be willing to try anything, as long as there aren't any compelling reasons not to. Personal freedom trumps our fear of the unknown.
Presently, we have survived 11 (apparently) years of gay marriage without a breakdown of society, legalization of bestiality or polygamy, etc. The concept has proven itself relatively benign. Therefore, although dropping the opposition to gay marriage may not be a Christian right-wing thing to do, it is not necessarily an "anti-conservative" thing to do.
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The gay marriage debate between Andrew Sullivan and Doug Wilson - with Peter Hitchens moderating - is a pretty great look at the intellectual depth present on the conservative side. Worth a watch.
It has nothing to do with politics, I'm just cynical. I'd be cynical of the Liberals changing policy to be more supportive of gun rights if they thought it would get them votes, too.
I'm not sure why every viewpoint has to be immediately hit with a "oh, that's so Liberal of you" or "that's a Conservative talking point" or "Communist!" Sometimes people just express their feelings and isn't in support of any particular party. I feel the move is not a shift in their core, it's an attempt to appeal to voters. You can call me cynical, but don't try to turn it into hypocrisy. It's not.
If you look at the polls on gay marriage over the last 15 years, it's clearly an issue that a great many Canadians have changed their minds about. Half the people who support gay marriage today were once against it. Do you believe all Canadians who changed their mind on the issue are being opportunist and insincere, or only the politicians?
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