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Old 04-21-2017, 12:32 AM   #281
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Draisaitl: 77
Pastrnak: 70
Ehlers: 64
Nylander: 61
Arvidsson: 61
Reinhart: 47

Bennett with 26 points.....what the heck's going on here? I didn't even realize that he had such an awful year...never looked at his numbers. I was so high on the kid....but seriously.....what's going on here? He was central scouting ranked #1 at a point.....

I understand he's turning only 21 in June...but he was supposed to be the guy that put up the big numbers early on in his career....not guys like Nylander, Ehlers, Pastrnak etc.

Isn't he our highest draft pick as well?

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Old 04-21-2017, 12:35 AM   #282
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Don't worry about the numbers yet, he is still a kid and will be an important cog before long. If his "numbers" are still low in three years let's talk again.
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Old 04-21-2017, 12:43 AM   #283
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He's either a bust, a slow developer or maybe not going to be as good as originally thought.

Bust seems unlikely, so probably a combo of the other two.

He's Brayden Schenn, Nazem Kadri, Ryan Johansen.
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Old 04-21-2017, 12:46 AM   #284
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He's either a bust, a slow developer or maybe not going to be as good as originally thought.

Bust seems unlikely, so probably a combo of the other two.

He's Brayden Schenn, Nazem Kadri, Ryan Johansen.
Or Mark Schiefele or Jonathan Drouin or Jarome Iginla (who dropped 20 points from his rookie to sophomore season)...
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Old 04-21-2017, 12:49 AM   #285
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Bennett basically was learning most of this season to become Backlund 2.0. A high quality two way shut down center. He improved a lot defensively over the course of the season. Still a work in progress, but there were significant leaps in his game over the course of the season.

You could see in the playoffs, when the games were important that he was utilizing his offensive abilities more than during the regular season.

Once he learns and gets comfortable playing that two way role, he'll be a dangerous threat at both ends of the ice as the offensive skill is still there.
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Old 04-21-2017, 12:50 AM   #286
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Bennett basically was learning most of this season to become Backlund 2.0. A high quality two way shut down center. He improved a lot defensively over the course of the season. Still a work in progress, but there were significant leaps in his game over the course of the season.

You could see in the playoffs, when the games were important that he was utilizing his offensive abilities more than during the regular season.

Once he learns and gets comfortable playing that two way role, he'll be a dangerous threat at both ends of the ice as the offensive skill is still there.
Yup, his defensive game has grown leaps and bounds this season. Pair him Tkachuk and someone like Frolik next season, give him like 16 or so minutes a night and some PP time and he'll hit 50 points. He's only scratching the surface of the kind of player he'll be at age 23.

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Old 04-21-2017, 01:08 AM   #287
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There's no question it was a bad year. Linemates, lack of powerplay time, bad luck... lots of factors but in the end he didn't get it done in the regular season at all production-wise.

His playoff performance gives us reason for optimism, but for him to produce at a level similar to Draisaitl or Pastrnak would require a stunning amount of development. Honestly not sure what my expectations are for him anymore.

Draisaitl: 18:53 avg TOI / 2:54 avg pp TOI / 172 shots / 16.9% Shooting pct / 27 PP points
Pastrnak: 17:58 / 2:37 / 262 / 13.0% / 24
Ehlers: 17:29 / 2:36 / 204 / 12.3% / 12
Arvidsson: 17:09 / 1:59 / 246 / 12.6% / 9
Nylander: 16:00 / 2:21 / 205 / 10.7% / 26
Reinhart: 17:13 / 2:55 / 178 / 9.6% / 17
Bennett: 14:59 / 1:14 / 122 / 10.7% / 4

He plays the least out of all those players and I think that he is the only one who primarily plays center. On the Flames that means he is stuck behind Backlund and Monahan playing third line minutes and with third line players. That hurts the production, especially compared to guys like Draisaitl, Pastrnak, Ehlers, Arvidsson, and Nylander who all play on the first line.

It looks like he did have some bad luck in the sense that his PDO or Save Percentage + Shooting Percentage number is way down at .967.

Overall, while opportunity is probably more limited for him given his situation on the Flames, he has also been unable to play his way up the line up. Not sure that next year will be all that different.
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:31 AM   #288
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If you want to see his numbers improve immediately, move him to the wing and play him in the top 6.

If you want to continue developing him as a Centre I expect you'll see slight improvement over the next couple years but I can't see him turning into more than an effective 2B/3 guy.

I would personally move him over to the wing and roll with Monahan/Backlund/Jankowski at C even though management is committed to keeping him at that position.
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Old 04-21-2017, 02:11 AM   #289
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I'd suggest quality of linemates play a factor as well.
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There's no question it was a bad year. Linemates, lack of powerplay time, bad luck... lots of factors but in the end he didn't get it done in the regular season at all production-wise.



His playoff performance gives us reason for optimism, but for him to produce at a level similar to Draisaitl or Pastrnak would require a stunning amount of development. Honestly not sure what my expectations are for him anymore.



Draisaitl: 18:53 avg TOI / 2:54 avg pp TOI / 172 shots / 16.9% Shooting pct / 27 PP points

Pastrnak: 17:58 / 2:37 / 262 / 13.0% / 24

Ehlers: 17:29 / 2:36 / 204 / 12.3% / 12

Arvidsson: 17:09 / 1:59 / 246 / 12.6% / 9

Nylander: 16:00 / 2:21 / 205 / 10.7% / 26

Reinhart: 17:13 / 2:55 / 178 / 9.6% / 17

Bennett: 14:59 / 1:14 / 122 / 10.7% / 4



He plays the least out of all those players and I think that he is the only one who primarily plays center. On the Flames that means he is stuck behind Backlund and Monahan playing third line minutes and with third line players. That hurts the production, especially compared to guys like Draisaitl, Pastrnak, Ehlers, Arvidsson, and Nylander who all play on the first line.



It looks like he did have some bad luck in the sense that his PDO or Save Percentage + Shooting Percentage number is way down at .967.



Overall, while opportunity is probably more limited for him given his situation on the Flames, he has also been unable to play his way up the line up. Not sure that next year will be all that different.


What does save percentage have to do with his production????
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Old 04-21-2017, 08:41 AM   #291
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If you want to see his numbers improve immediately, move him to the wing and play him in the top 6.

If you want to continue developing him as a Centre I expect you'll see slight improvement over the next couple years but I can't see him turning into more than an effective 2B/3 guy.

I would personally move him over to the wing and roll with Monahan/Backlund/Jankowski at C even though management is committed to keeping him at that position.
So is Bennett the number 3 LW behind Gaudreau and Tkachuk?

Rather keep him at C than move him to the third line wing or off wing top 6

Bennett has developed a lot slower than I thought when he burst on the scene in the 2015 playoffs but I have liked his game when he plays with an edge.

I still see a future line of Tkachuk-Bennett-Lazar working out
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Old 04-21-2017, 08:44 AM   #292
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I'm not as down on him as before, as I felt he had a pretty strong playoffs, he was noticeable for most of that series (more than the shrimp on the top line anyway). I love the jam he plays with, and he seems to get up for the postseason. Really hoping he can find some consistency going forward, as the talent is clearly there the odd times he's noticeable during the season. Dude needs better line-mates, for one
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:05 AM   #293
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What does save percentage have to do with his production????
Nothing... just one way of looking at his overall luck on the season. Saw it and was surprised by how low the number was. The 5 on 5 team shooting percentage was 7.55 (which would have been more relevant to post). For reference, Draisaitl's was 12.62%, Ehlers 10.56%, and Reinhart's was 5.13%.

So it looks like luck and linemates had something to do with it, as Reinhart's numbers are a bit lower too. However Reinhart made up for it on the powerplay.
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:05 AM   #294
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Yeah, definitely the line mates thing.
Draisatl - mcdavid
Pasta - Bergeron, marchand
Arvidsson - Johansen, Forsberg
Reinhart - Eichel
Nylander - Matthews
Ehlers - scheifele, wheeler
Bennett - Chiasson, Brouwer, Versteeg, etc
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Draisaitl: 77
Pastrnak: 70
Ehlers: 64
Nylander: 61
Arvidsson: 61
Reinhart: 47
Well, that's a nice list of wingers, but Bennett is a centre, so I don't like the comparison - especially for a player this young with two years of professional hockey under his belt.

Also, yeah - as others have mentioned, look at Bennett's usage and linemates in comparison. Bennett is progressing nicely, and those looking to make absolute statements on what he is/what he's going to be are reaching, and for no reason. Just be patient and watch as he progresses.

This year? He was a 3rd line centre on a playoff team. It was his first year as a centre, first year under a new coach, and he had to haul Troy Brouwer's useless ass around the ice for the majority of the season. I'm excited to see what he can do next year - and I hope he gets some better linemates in the fall.

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He looks like he'll be an NHL player. He can skate and hit and crash the net. Looked like a useful player in the playoffs.

But it's looking less and less likely that he'll be a big scorer at the NHL level. 7 points in his last 30 games this season. You pretty much get that many points just by taking a regular shift on any third line in the league.

Bennett hasn't shown he has the vision and the awareness to use his linemates effectively. It's worrying that he still tries to beat guys one-on-one with junior moves. Maybe he'll take a big step next season. I don't know. Right now it's looking like he may be more of a Mike Fisher than a Doug Gilmour.
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Its going to be a weird balance point, Bennett is probably going to get less money and a shorter term deal then I thought he would at the start of the year. Ferland is probably going to get more money and more term then I thought he would have gotten.

I'm not worried about Bennett at all, I liked what I saw in the playoffs, but this was a year of being completely snake bitten.

He does need to continue to work on his physical strength though, he just didn't look strong enough for the shovel and pick work.
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He looks like he'll be an NHL player. He can skate and hit and crash the net. Looked like a useful player in the playoffs.

But it's looking less and less likely that he'll be a big scorer at the NHL level. 7 points in his last 30 games this season. You pretty much get that many points just by taking a regular shift on any third line in the league.

Bennett hasn't shown he has the vision and the awareness to use his linemates effectively. It's worrying that he still tries to beat guys one-on-one with junior moves. Maybe he'll take a big step next season. I don't know. Right now it's looking like he may be more of a Mike Fisher than a Doug Gilmour.
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that took me a while to figure out.
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Yeah, definitely the line mates thing.
Draisatl - mcdavid
Pasta - Bergeron, marchand
Arvidsson - Johansen, Forsberg
Reinhart - Eichel
Nylander - Matthews
Ehlers - scheifele, wheeler
Bennett - Chiasson, Brouwer, Versteeg, etc
This right here. Put Bennett with any of the other guys and he gets you 50 points no problem. Heck put him with Mcdavid he would probably have the same number of points as Draisatl.
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