[PGT] Blues 5, Flames 3

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

There is no such thing tanking leading to a losing culture, there is just poor management and poor decisions that lead to a losing culture .

Coming in last doesn't mean you're guaranteed to have a losing Culture, Colorado is pretty good example of that.

Teams like Buffalo and Columbus stay bad because they have bad managment and made bad decisions, not because of a losing culture they created by tanking.

Mind you Columbus and Buffalo don’t have MacKinnon either

[Paulie Walnuts]

Colorado had one of the worst seasons ever. That same coach and star player won a cup and are a powerhouse now.

You just need the right players and management. I think we have some competitive young players and vets like Coleman. Conroy also doesn’t seem like a dufus manager who will allow a losing culture.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Lots of flexibility and options.

Just don’t F it up.

Cap floor is $61.7 this year. If the rumoured cap is going up $4 million is true the Flames could be near the floor if they dump Markstrom and eat bread.

Pretty standard convention after a breakup.

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Huska show some fire? That's hilarious!

What coaches go on rants? Torts. Then who?

[SuperMatt18]

You need a strong managment plan, patience, and some luck to build a winner.

Colorado easily could have panicked and traded Mackinnon at one point, he wasn't instantly elite. Colorado also read their team correctly and knew when to push some chips in to add pieces like Kadri, Toews, and Kuemper.

Problem with Columbus is they probably moved too quickly at different times and weren't patient enough to build a winner.

With Buffalo I think they potentially actually should have made a couple moves last offseason to try to add but didn't (they really could have used a veteran goalie and veteran dman coming into this season).

It's really all about drafting well and as a manager reading the team correctly for when you need to add to start your build. Too early and you probably won't have a deep enough base of prospects built to be a contender, too late and it's when your team can start to flounder a little bit and the players get frustrated

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

You need a strong managment plan, patience, and some luck to build a winner.

Colorado easily could have panicked and traded Mackinnon at one point, he wasn't instantly elite. Colorado also read their team correctly and knew when to push some chips in to add pieces like Kadri, Toews, and Kuemper.

Problem with Columbus is they probably moved too quickly at different times and weren't patient enough to build a winner.

With Buffalo I think they potentially actually should have made a couple moves last offseason to try to add but didn't (they really could have used a veteran goalie and veteran dman coming into this season).

It's really all about drafting well and as a manager reading the team correctly for when you need to add to start your build. Too early and you probably won't have a deep enough base of prospects built to be a contender, too late and it's when your team can start to flounder a little bit and the players get frustrated

It also helps to be a market where players actually want to play.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by wwkayaker

What coaches go on rants? Torts. Then who?

None. And actually that is a problem on the NHL. Too much silence. To many scared leaders.

[CSharp]

Looks like Krakens win" Another good night for Flames!

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I do wish Huska would get mad in situations like that. Like, proper mad.

Screwing over the Flames has never been so inconsequential.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I do wish Huska would get mad in situations like that. Like, proper mad.

Screwing over the Flames has never been so inconsequential.

Ha. Perhaps we should just “bank” this karma with the hockey gods

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Thankfully he's going to get some runway here to try to work through these lapses. It's a great opportunity and if I were the Flames, I'd give Markstrom only 3-4 games.

Yeah it's fine.

I'd prefer he get 80% of the games from here on out, but just not sure how you do that and tell Markstrom to just sit on the bench. Markstrom is a pro and he knows what's up, but might still be a bit grating.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

There is no such thing tanking leading to a losing culture, there is just poor management and poor decisions that lead to a losing culture .

In every other business on earth, organizational culture matters. There is no reason why professional sports should be exempt from this.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

It also helps to be a market where players actually want to play.

Sucks that Calgary isn't one of those markets anymore.

[getbak]

Arizona and Seattle both win.

TANKS A LOT!!!

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Sucks that Calgary isn't one of those markets anymore.

Its stock should jump in three years when it matters.

Having the league's newest facilities will count for something.

The organization should have a strong contingent of young talent on the roster by then as well. If the drafting goes well, they should be seen as an up and comer.

[AC]

Standings on March 16th after we beat Montreal:

21. CGY 71
22. BUF 69
23. SEA 68
24. NJD 68
25. PIT 67
26. MTL 61
27. ARZ 61
28. OTT 60

Standings now after the Flames have gone 0-5:

21. NJD 76
22. PIT 74
23. SEA 73
24. BUF 73
25. CGY 71
26. OTT 68
27. MTL 68
28. ARZ 67

Pretty, pretty good.

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

None. And actually that is a problem on the NHL. Too much silence. To many scared leaders.

Too much silence because the league is so strict when it comes to criticizing their own. One of the worst things about the NHL is the inconsistency and down right incompetence of the officials. Coaches have to shy away from being vocal or get hit with a big fine.

I could live with the league not wanting to publicly out officials and admit in the media that there are issues, however, even behind closed doors there seems to be zero accountability. The reason for that is because the same problems exist every year and it seems to be getting worse than better. Is it too hard to ask for consistency? When players and coaches say they don’t understand some of the decisions being made on the ice, then perhaps, just maybe, you have a problem.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by AC

Standings on March 16th after we beat Montreal:

21. CGY 71
22. BUF 69
23. SEA 68
24. NJD 68
25. PIT 67
26. MTL 61
27. ARZ 61
28. OTT 60

Standings now after the Flames have gone 0-5:

21. NJD 76
22. PIT 74
23. SEA 73
24. BUF 73
25. CGY 71
26. OTT 68
27. MTL 68
28. ARZ 67

Pretty, pretty good.

Top five is in sight! I thought that wasn't remotely possible a couple of weeks ago.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

In every other business on earth, organizational culture matters. There is no reason why professional sports should be exempt from this.

Organizational culture matters but it extends beyond rebuilding=bad.

Organizational culture is everyone being on the same page, people buying in, feeling like theyre making an impact and pulling in the same direction.
A team of young up and coming players could have a better culture then a group of grizzled mercenary vets, even if the young team is currently lower in the standings.

Same as some fortune 500 companies have terrible corporate cultures and some small/medium sized businesses and startups have the great cultures.


I fully believe you can maintain a strong culture through a rebuild.

You can also have a ####ty culture while trying to compete.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by traptor

Organizational culture matters but it extends beyond rebuilding=bad.

Organizational culture is everyone being on the same page, people buying in, feeling like theyre making an impact and pulling in the same direction.

What matters even more is pulling in the right direction. In particular: to play a good defensive game takes great effort, practice, teamwork, and moreover, experience in dealing with errors and unforeseen situations. You can get that experience with the help of experienced players who have a track record of successful play, or you can do it the hard way.

Coaches can teach how to play a system, but they aren't on the ice to show by example how to react when breakdowns occur.

Look at Connor McDavid. If he's on the ice and one of his teammates makes a defensive mistake, he often suffers a ‘controller disconnect’ moment. At the beginning of his career, sound defence was not part of the Oilers' culture, and he had nobody to learn from by example. By the time they brought in players who could have shown him what to do, he was the captain and simply snubbed anyone who thought they had anything to teach. So at critical moments in games, you'll see him coasting back into his zone, neither moving his feet nor trying to break up the play, just watching the other team score.

That's what a loss of organizational culture gets you.