Even though Walt got Jesse into everything, the only reason Jesse was alive at the end because he cooking Walts way. I remember at the start when he was teaching a bunch of disinterested high school kids. Jesse, the bad student, actually listened and became a talented cook.
Even though Walt got Jesse into everything, the only reason Jesse was alive at the end because he cooking Walts way. I remember at the start when he was teaching a bunch of disinterested high school kids. Jesse, the bad student, actually listened and became a talented cook.
He actually got Jesse to apply himself in life and to get satisfaction from achieving things instead of just from getting high. When Walt met Jesse, Jesse was already on a slow path to self-destruction. There are definitely 2 ways to look at how Walt influenced Jesse's life. If Walt hadn't become involved with Jesse, there is a good chance that Jesse would already be dead or in jail.
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Even though Walt got Jesse into everything, the only reason Jesse was alive at the end because he cooking Walts way. I remember at the start when he was teaching a bunch of disinterested high school kids. Jesse, the bad student, actually listened and became a talented cook.
While most focus on Walt's transformation over the series Jesse had just as big of a transformation. Does anyone ever remember Captain Cook complete with vanity plates and his trademark chile added to his meth? The guy who when Walt gave him some money to get a vehicle to cook in he went and spent it on showing off with wild partying?
By the end of the series Jesse didn't want anything to do with being The Man. He didn't want the money. He didn't want the wild partying. He continued to drive around the beat up Corolla even when Walt bought a flashy new car.
People talk about how Walt had nothing in the end to redeem him and he was all monster and I don't buy that at all. I mean I think ultimately he did think he was doing it all for the family (and for the recognition of course and ego) but at the end he knew that Skylar needed to hear him admit it was all for him. And he gave her that. (and we're left to interpret whether i actually felt that)
Not to mention the get out of jail card of the coordinates.
I like how in the end, every character; a bit like Game of Thrones, is a shade of grey rather than a non realistic black or white. ALL the characters had their issues and some you hated you ended up liking and some you liked you hated a bit more.
I mean in the end bumbling Saul was even the most smart of them all really and knew when to get out and move on.
Agreed the details are unbelievable.
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Quick question. Skylar's smoking. I'm trying to remember if the mentioned how it used to be. I vaguely recall saying she quit and started up again just after she became pregnant with Holly.
I always assumed that her smoking was the cause of Walt Jr's illness (I honestly have no idea if that's even possible) but could her smoking have been the root cause of Walt's lung cancer? I'd have to rewatch to come up with a theory to agree or disagree but it's a theory I heard today and assume that someone/people here could comment off the top of their heads.
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Quick question. Skylar's smoking. I'm trying to remember if the mentioned how it used to be. I vaguely recall saying she quit and started up again just after she became pregnant with Holly.
I always assumed that her smoking was the cause of Walt Jr's illness (I honestly have no idea if that's even possible) but could her smoking have been the root cause of Walt's lung cancer? I'd have to rewatch to come up with a theory to agree or disagree but it's a theory I heard today and assume that someone/people here could comment off the top of their heads.
hahaha. what a wacked up show. I can forgive walt for destroying his family, getting Hank killed, wanting Jesse dead, plotting hits against multiple people, and ruining thousands of people's lives with blue meth, but i will never forgive Skylar for smoking in a car with a baby inside!!!
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Quick question. Skylar's smoking. I'm trying to remember if the mentioned how it used to be. I vaguely recall saying she quit and started up again just after she became pregnant with Holly.
I always assumed that her smoking was the cause of Walt Jr's illness (I honestly have no idea if that's even possible) but could her smoking have been the root cause of Walt's lung cancer? I'd have to rewatch to come up with a theory to agree or disagree but it's a theory I heard today and assume that someone/people here could comment off the top of their heads.
Pretty sure smoking while pregnant doesn't cause CP (Cerebral Palsy or CalgaryPuck)
I think I remember Marie, when she found out about Skyler's smoking, saying she hadn't done it since she was young. So she might have quit even before she met Walt or got pregnant. Either way, it wouldn't cause CP. I guess it could contribute to lung cancer, but we have no proof she ever smoked in the early or latter years of the family (except when she started back up of course). So Walt probably got it elsewhere. You do hear of non-smokers picking it up every once in a while. Cancer is just as much a genetic risk as it is a lifestyle risk.
If smoking really was part of it, it actually would make more sense Walt's parents smoked around him when he was young. Both for the fact that historically that makes more sense, and medically it would probably do more damage to a child than an adult. We also know Walt's dad died from an illness, though I can't remember what it was, or if they ever mentioned it. As far as the story goes though, we obviously don't know if his parents were smokers.
Pretty sure smoking while pregnant doesn't cause CP (Cerebral Palsy or CalgaryPuck)
It is not proven to directly cause CP, but it is proven to cause low birth weights and increase the chance of premature labor which is often a contributing factor to complications that cause CP.
Just for argument/clarification I looked up causes for cerebral palsy. This is from the Mayo Clinic's website...
Cerebral palsy is caused by an abnormality or disruption in brain development, usually before a child is born. In many cases, the exact trigger of this abnormality isn't known. Factors that may lead to problems with brain development include:
Random mutations in genes that control brain development.
Maternal infections that affect the developing fetus.
Fetal stroke, a disruption of blood supply to the developing brain.
Lack of oxygen to the brain (asphyxia) related to difficult labor or delivery. This is rarely a cause.
Infant infections that cause inflammation in or around the brain.
Traumatic head injury to an infant from a motor vehicle accident or fall.
So none of those really fall in line with smoking. Maybe the lack of oxygen thing, but it says that's rare, and I would think you'd have to be smoking an insane amount to even get to that point.
Smoking while preggers usually causes low birth weight (which can cause many other problems), premature births, which kinda goes hand in hand with that first symptom, heart problems, lung problems, greater susceptibility to cancer, and yes even low IQ and behavioral and learning problems.
As CP is technically not a disease or genetic condition, and rather a sort of injury brought on, usually congenital, I guess it's technically possible smoking could be the trigger. But I haven't seen any links to that yet in the few pages I have looked up.
It would have been too uncharacteristic of Walt to start smoking meth. Especially in the lab. It was always a sterile environment for Walt. He wouldn't let Jesse smoke a cigarette in there.
Yeah, it was all about the chemistry for Walter White not about what the end product did.
Skimmed the last few pages and didn't see this mentioned. But I heard a suggestion that everything was going SO RIGHT for Walt in the finale - so UNBELIEVABLY right that wouldn't it have been interesting if the last shot of the episode had been Walt back in the car from the beginning of the episode? The entire episode just a daydream?
I like the way it ended but I think alternate endings are always worth discussing and this would have been a good one too. Pretty much the opposite of what we got, but just as good.
Skimmed the last few pages and didn't see this mentioned. But I heard a suggestion that everything was going SO RIGHT for Walt in the finale - so UNBELIEVABLY right that wouldn't it have been interesting if the last shot of the episode had been Walt back in the car from the beginning of the episode? The entire episode just a daydream?
I like the way it ended but I think alternate endings are always worth discussing and this would have been a good one too. Pretty much the opposite of what we got, but just as good.
or the laziest piece of ####e plot device in the history of television.. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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It would have fit thematically. Walt reaps what he sows. The suggestion comes from a very critical article written by Emily Nussbaum of The New Yorker. In her version of the finale, the final shot is Walt frozen to death in the car. The "The Shining" ending.
I totally wanted the show to end with Walt on top in his Heisenberg hat, but I was really happy with the way it ended. It probably couldn't have worked the way I wanted it. Alas, I am not a writer.
I totally wanted the show to end with Walt on top in his Heisenberg hat, but I was really happy with the way it ended. It probably couldn't have worked the way I wanted it. Alas, I am not a writer.
Walt gets revenge and instead of coming to terms with his fate he keeps trucking along and living the delusion? That would have been alright, I think. The only thing I would say is that I think the show was so plot driven that it almost required a finite ending and that is a little too open-ended.
It would have fit thematically. Walt reaps what he sows. The suggestion comes from a very critical article written by Emily Nussbaum of The New Yorker. In her version of the finale, the final shot is Walt frozen to death in the car. The "The Shining" ending.
Thanks, I'll have a read but I typically don't read Nussbaum. I feel like she has her status elevated because she's in the Times (which is probably fair) but there are guys like Sepinwall, Greenwald, Poniwozik (thank god I just use google) and even Tim Goodman and Mo Ryan I think produce better work.
Without having read the article and relying on your "reaps what he sows" comment. While I could definitely be onside with the premise, theme and result, that type of execution is pure and utter hackery.
