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Old 03-28-2017, 08:17 PM   #281
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Maybe he got a lot of generous roughing calls then. I remember him fighting in his rookie season. Cherry made a big deal of it.


I remember Fleury absolutely sucker punch someone as they skated by. Actual fights maybe not but definitely had his own code sometimes.


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Old 03-28-2017, 08:39 PM   #282
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I remember Fleury absolutely sucker punch someone as they skated by. Actual fights maybe not but definitely had his own code sometimes.


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I know I might not be of the most popular opinion but I miss the roughness of the old NHL, not necessarily things like sucker punches in the quoted post though. Just the overall nastiness that used to be in the game. I appreciate the fancy plays and the scoring, but it was so much more mystical when it was about a player finessing their way through a land mine of elbows and other kinds of clobbering. I'd risk losing a leg for a couple million USD a year for as long as I last, let alone only worrying about breaking one or whatever other issues NHLers face. I'd rather watch an extremely chippy game then a high scoring one.
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I know I might not be of the most popular opinion but I miss the roughness of the old NHL, not necessarily things like sucker punches in the quoted post though. Just the overall nastiness that used to be in the game. I appreciate the fancy plays and the scoring, but it was so much more mystical when it was about a player finessing their way through a land mine of elbows and other kinds of clobbering. I'd risk losing a leg for a couple million USD a year for as long as I last, let alone only worrying about breaking one or whatever other issues NHLers face. I'd rather watch an extremely chippy game then a high scoring one.


Maybe I'm getting soft or don't remember if it was that rough but some of the hits these days seem much more brutal than the past.
I watched the 20th anniversary brawl between Colorado and Detroit and didn't think it was bad.


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Old 03-28-2017, 11:30 PM   #284
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I know I might not be of the most popular opinion but I miss the roughness of the old NHL, not necessarily things like sucker punches in the quoted post though. Just the overall nastiness that used to be in the game. I appreciate the fancy plays and the scoring, but it was so much more mystical when it was about a player finessing their way through a land mine of elbows and other kinds of clobbering. I'd risk losing a leg for a couple million USD a year for as long as I last, let alone only worrying about breaking one or whatever other issues NHLers face. I'd rather watch an extremely chippy game then a high scoring one.
Like brain damage leading to depression and suicide? Those other issues.
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Like brain damage leading to depression and suicide? Those other issues.
Like the things that Soldiers risk and more for 1/100th the pay and zero of the accolades?

The fact is they get paid a handsome wage for the risks involved. No one likes to see what your talking about happen. But suicide and depression are issues in most workplaces. I'd wager without knowing the stats that some of the least physical jobs have the highest suicide rates just from stress.

Edit- did some googling around this seems old however as at the time of when it was likely published hockey was much rougher then it is now, it shows professional athletes have a 8 percent suicide rate per deaths in while the average population has an 11 percent suicide rate per death for the same age bracket. Also shows Hockey players have the lowest mortality rate of any of the major sport professions

http://www.contingencies.org/julaug01/athletes.pdf
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So basically what I got from his comments is that there is a very high chance that Tkachuk will be making friends tomorrow? Love this kid, his arrogance is refreshing
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I know I might not be of the most popular opinion but I miss the roughness of the old NHL, not necessarily things like sucker punches in the quoted post though. Just the overall nastiness that used to be in the game. I appreciate the fancy plays and the scoring, but it was so much more mystical when it was about a player finessing their way through a land mine of elbows and other kinds of clobbering. I'd risk losing a leg for a couple million USD a year for as long as I last, let alone only worrying about breaking one or whatever other issues NHLers face. I'd rather watch an extremely chippy game then a high scoring one.
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Like brain damage leading to depression and suicide? Those other issues.
Hey Debbie, that's the way it was. Lots of people have issues without hockey.
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Old 03-29-2017, 03:37 AM   #289
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Like brain damage leading to depression and suicide? Those other issues.
Not saying you're completely wrong but my favorite age of NHL hockey was the 70's, no helmets, no mouthguards just fights,brawls,stickwork and elbows. blood was scraped from the ice fairly regularly back then but for some reason and I could be wrong but I can't think of one player who committed suicide because of head trauma playing hockey.
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Like the things that Soldiers risk and more for 1/100th the pay and zero of the accolades?

The fact is they get paid a handsome wage for the risks involved. No one likes to see what your talking about happen. But suicide and depression are issues in most workplaces. I'd wager without knowing the stats that some of the least physical jobs have the highest suicide rates just from stress.

Edit- did some googling around this seems old however as at the time of when it was likely published hockey was much rougher then it is now, it shows professional athletes have a 8 percent suicide rate per deaths in while the average population has an 11 percent suicide rate per death for the same age bracket. Also shows Hockey players have the lowest mortality rate of any of the major sport professions

http://www.contingencies.org/julaug01/athletes.pdf
I don't know what world you're living in, but to say they get zero accolades is ridiculous and wrong. I believe in many cases soldiers are very underappreciated but to say that they get no accolades is flat out not true.

This, by the way, was just a massive deflection by you anyways. Someone pointed out a legitimate concern about a massive issue (brain damage/suicide) that you seemingly completely missed, or discounted as unimportant and you basically say it doesn't matter because there are jobs that are more dangerous that pay less and are less glamorous.


by the way - I loved the rough/tough game of the 80's too.
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Not saying you're completely wrong but my favorite age of NHL hockey was the 70's, no helmets, no mouthguards just fights,brawls,stickwork and elbows. blood was scraped from the ice fairly regularly back then but for some reason and I could be wrong but I can't think of one player who committed suicide because of head trauma playing hockey.
I can only think of 4 off hand and of those suicides it sounded like Boogaard was an accidental overdose, Belak's sounded like it was an accident too, Rypien and Montador were the only that sounded like they were intended suicides. Also it sounds like Belak and Rypien also suffered from mental illness for their entire lives.

I've askied this question before and no one could give me an answer. How do we know enforcers mental illness is caused by fighting and not them doing self harm because they were already mentally ill?
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