American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[GGG]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

From CNBC's John Harwood on twitter:



By the way, those "essential health benefits" that the ACA mandated coverage for:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_health_benefits


So what exactly is health insurance going to cover, then?

To be fair Canada doesn't cover the whole list there. Perscription drugs which make up a significant portion of healthcare costs are not covered outside of hospitals in canada

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

So what exactly is health insurance going to cover, then?

Profits for the insurance companies.

[photon]

That's pretty much it, removing the essential health benefits I'm surprised they didn't do sooner. Insurance companies can then offer super cheap packages that basically only cover your false sense of security. Then legislators can crow about how many people have insurance and how cheap the rates are.

[DuffMan]

but he's the President, and you're not.

(CNN)President Donald Trump defended some of the most controversial claims of his young political career in a wide-ranging interview with Time magazine published Thursday, in which he offered a simple and absolute defense of his method:

"I'm a very instinctual person, but my instinct turns out to be right. Hey, look, in the meantime, I guess I can't be doing so badly, because I'm president, and you're not," he told Time's Washington bureau chief, Michael Scherer.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/politi...ods/index.html

[Fuzz]

Did he follow that up with "nee-ner-nee-ner-nee-ner"?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by photon

That's pretty much it, removing the essential health benefits I'm surprised they didn't do sooner. Insurance companies can then offer super cheap packages that basically only cover your false sense of security. Then legislators can crow about how many people have insurance and how cheap the rates are.

It's a different mind set but for people sub-40 without kids having high deductible low coverage plans makes a lot of sense. It's a collectivism problem though as without the sub-40 paying more than they consume the plans for older people become too expensive.

Now if the government sunsidized to bring in real affordability to the other plans you could have a system that didn't have the essential services in it though overall it just becomes a tax burden instead of an individual burden.

[Nufy]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

but he's the President, and you're not.



http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/politi...ods/index.html

Sounds a lot like the...

I'm rubber and you're glue defense...

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Nufy

Sounds a lot like the...

I'm rubber and you're glue defense...

He should be answering any of these Russian collusion accusations with 'he who smelt it dealt it.'

[Flash Walken]

"No puppet, no puppet. You're the puppet."

[DuffMan]

Can easily read this in Alec Baldwins, Trump voice.
"I'm the President, you're not"

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Can easily read this in Alec Baldwins, Trump voice.
"I'm the President, you're not"

No new SNL until April 8 though...

[Senator Clay Davis]

Pretty amazing only one group actually approves of Trump's handling of health care. Even his core, white non-college thinks he's done poorly, and this was before all the last minute vote buying attempts to get it done that are only going to make the bill worse. Could be looking at two Presidents in a row who will suffer because of healthcare, for the exactly opposite reason. Make up your mind America.



https://poll.qu.edu/national/release...ReleaseID=2443

[ernie]

In truth I think America has made up their minds....they want lobbyists and extreme expense out of healthcare.

What they can't grasp is there is only one path to do that:

1) Vote for people who aren't in lobbyists pockets
2) Don't fall for charlatans like Trump who pretend they will drain the swamp and then put the lobbyists in charge....you need to drain the swamp yourself by doing the first thing
3) Realize the only way you keep lobbyists influence limited is universal healthcare. Single payer system.

#1 goes for both sides of the aisle as the ACA is NOT what Obama wanted "Obamacare" to be. His own party killed the dream. They need use this abomination of healthcare bill as a springboard to convincing people why single payer is necessary AND how they can do it with the money already in the system (which they can).

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Pretty amazing only one group actually approves of Trump's handling of health care. Even his core, white non-college thinks he's done poorly, and this was before all the last minute vote buying attempts to get it done that are only going to make the bill worse. Could be looking at two Presidents in a row who will suffer because of healthcare, for the exactly opposite reason. Make up your mind America.



https://poll.qu.edu/national/release...ReleaseID=2443

Everyone who disagrees with it probably disagrees for a different reason. And people voted against Clinton because Obamacare didn't go far enough. It seems like this will go back and forth and all over the place for decades.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by ernie

In truth I think America has made up their minds....they want lobbyists and extreme expense out of healthcare.

What they can't grasp is there is only one path to do that:

1) Vote for people who aren't in lobbyists pockets
2) Don't fall for charlatans like Trump who pretend they will drain the swamp and then put the lobbyists in charge....you need to drain the swamp yourself by doing the first thing
3) Realize the only way you keep lobbyists influence limited is universal healthcare. Single payer system.

#1 goes for both sides of the aisle as the ACA is NOT what Obama wanted "Obamacare" to be. His own party killed the dream. They need use this abomination of healthcare bill as a springboard to convincing people why single payer is necessary AND how they can do it with the money already in the system (which they can).

I don't think single payer would ever win out in the US. There are good things that come out of for-profit medicine too. ie, better facilities, hospitals, incentive for research, etc. A system that balances that out with some kind of protection for a decent minimum level of coverage for everyone would probably be the winning formula. ie, make Medicare available to everyone as an option combined with some kind of refundable tax credit that could either go to medicare premiums or whichever health care option you choose.

[FlameOn]

George W Bush administration's ethics lawyer says the FBI has uncovered evidence of treason on alt-right new sites such as Breitbart, Infowars, RT and Sputnik news.

The man who served as former president George W Bush's most senior ethics lawyer has suggested that the FBI is "uncovering evidence of treason" by far right US news websites over their links with Russia.

Richard Painter tweeted a link to an article suggesting that the Bureau was looking into news outlets like Breitbart News, InfoWars and the Kremlin-backed RT News and Sputnik News, to see whether they worked with Russian-backed operatives to disseminate stories favouring Donald Trump during the presidential election. at times when his campaign appeared to be struggling.

Sources told US publisher, McClatchy that online "bots" had created created millions of social media posts linking to articles on the sites, some of which were completely false, while other contained a mixture of fact and fiction.

Investigators are now trying to establish whether the websites were complicit with the people managing the "bots" or the operatives were controlling them without their knowledge - which is entirely possible.

Currently a professor of corporate law at the University of Minnesota, he served as Mr Bush's most senior ethics lawyer between 2005 and 2007.

His comment came within days of FBI director James Comey's revelation that the Bureau was investigating Russia’s alleged interference with the 2016 election and possible links between Moscow and Donald Trump’s campaign team.

Spokespeople for Sputnik, RT and InfoWars have all vehemently denied links to Russia.

The last line above... LOL
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7644966.html

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by ernie

#1 goes for both sides of the aisle as the ACA is NOT what Obama wanted "Obamacare" to be. His own party killed the dream. They need use this abomination of healthcare bill as a springboard to convincing people why single payer is necessary AND how they can do it with the money already in the system (which they can).

how so?

I'm wondering ultimately if the Republicans are able to pass their Health care bill, Americans finally realize that politicians and their families get government health care, and they, the common serfs are being screwed royally, and getting the crappiest health care of any developed country. The Dems run on a platform of universal HC, and defeat the Repubs.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

how so?

I'm wondering ultimately if the Republicans are able to pass their Health care bill, Americans finally realize that politicians and their families get government health care, and they, the common serfs are being screwed royally, and getting the crappiest health care of any developed country. The Dems run on a platform of universal HC, and defeat the Repubs.

ACA was pushed in initial drafts by Obama as a single payer solution to healthcare but many Democrats voted against those provisions of the bill. This lead to them eventually being dropped for the mandated insurance solution you see today.

[habernac]

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[troutman]

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Just watched the totally biased and fake news reports of the so-called Russia story on NBC and ABC. Such dishonesty!