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Old 04-29-2017, 06:44 PM   #181
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She did.

Unless I am mistaken a 'Trailer' technically qualifies as a 'Home.'
And the CBC story went from him being "toothless", to being "partially toothed", to being "gap-toothed".

It makes me wonder if he really was unemployed.

None of it changes the fact that she was ripped of course, but the way this story is presented is disrespectful all around.
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And the CBC story went from him being "toothless", to being "partially toothed", to being "gap-toothed".

It makes me wonder if he really was unemployed.

None of it changes the fact that she was ripped of course, but the way this story is presented is disrespectful all around.
I get it.

Some of the worst people I know have excellent Dental Hygiene.

Coincidence? I think not!
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And the CBC story went from him being "toothless", to being "partially toothed", to being "gap-toothed".

It makes me wonder if he really was unemployed.

None of it changes the fact that she was ripped of course, but the way this story is presented is disrespectful all around.
Her story hasn't changed at all in any edits, and it was "partially toothless" from day one, with mention of "toothless" once, which is still in the story.

How is the story disrespectful?
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What they didn't do was say "Sure, that's possible, please fill out the paperwork and provide the cheque." So you pay 20K, think you're getting an F-350, and they present you the keys to a brand new Fiesta you just bought. Wouldn't you consider that insane and criminal?
A truck isn't a sentient being with it's own list of desires.

I'd be surprised if the contract she signed specifies that her dates will be what she asked for, because it would be making promises on behalf of third parties (their male clients). Furthermore, unless there's a specified and expired time frame on the 12 dates, they are likely not in violation of the contract.
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A truck isn't a sentient being with it's own list of desires.

I'd be surprised if the contract she signed specifies that her dates will be what she asked for, because it would be making promises on behalf of third parties (their male clients). Furthermore, unless there's a specified and expired time frame on the 12 dates, they are likely not in violation of the contract.
What? It's not? I... damnit... this changes my entire life view.

I think you can understand the analogy without being a literalist. Ask for something, told it can happen, and be presented with something that isn't even close. Not that hard to see why it is upsetting. A person to person match of course has more variables, but it's a fairly obvious solution: if you can't find someone who both meets the requirements of client A, and has client A meet their requirements, don't set them up! If you can't find anybody that matches client A, be honest and say you can't help client A, or tell them their parameters are too strict and offer them alternatives.

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Errrr... except they don't. Since there are plenty of online review and the two mentioned in the article that they just set you up with whoever for the first match, lock you into the contract, and essentially abandon you after that (now that they've made their money).

The whole purpose of a matchmaking service is to set people up with matches. At best their the world matchmaking company in the entire world, but based on what they charge, I'm betting on "scam artists."
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Her story hasn't changed at all in any edits, and it was "partially toothless" from day one, with mention of "toothless" once, which is still in the story.

How is the story disrespectful?
Because the story shouldn't be about the man's imperfections, yet they made it a centerpiece. I am sure that he knows he isn't a great catch and doesn't need national media pointing that out. It's sad that this lady was scammed, but there is no evidence that this man was a willing part in it or knew what was happening.

How would you like to be told that you were so terrible that just sitting with you for few minutes was "a surreal experience"? Like ouch dude!
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Because the story shouldn't be about the man's imperfections, yet they made it a centerpiece. I am sure that he knows he isn't a great catch and doesn't need national media pointing that out. It's sad that this lady was scammed, but there is no evidence that this man was a willing part in it or knew what was happening.

How would you like to be told that you were so terrible that just sitting with you for few minutes was "a surreal experience"? Like ouch dude!
I've been told that before and I have all my teeth!
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Because the story shouldn't be about the man's imperfections, yet they made it a centerpiece. I am sure that he knows he isn't a great catch and doesn't need national media pointing that out. It's sad that this lady was scammed, but there is no evidence that this man was a willing part in it or knew what was happening.

How would you like to be told that you were so terrible that just sitting with you for few minutes was "a surreal experience"? Like ouch dude!
So, spending $7000 will the promise of someone who is a good match, and instead getting a partially toothless, "homeless" (camper bound), unemployed man who spent the meal chewing on plastic cutlery doesn't fit the term "surreal" to you?

It's not as though he's named. She is the only person who knows who he is, so it's the opinion of one lady on an otherwise nameless, faceless man. This isn't a public shaming. The public has zero idea who this person is.

Odd that you found the focus on his imperfections disrespectful after all this:

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The main fault of the site was that they should have come right out and told her that she wasn't being realistic. It would be like a an overweight 50 year old man going on there looking for a hot 20 year old.

Physically, they probably matched her up appropriately with someone in her league.
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They probably looked for a man's profile that said looks weren't important and looked at her profile picture and figured after $7k, it was worth a shot.
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It's very unlikely that she has the attributes that someone of her desired template man would be looking for. Not to sound mean, but how many tall, attractive and gainfully employed single men are looking for middle aged women who are below average in attractiveness?
The difference being, I guess, is she has a name, and hundreds of people have seen you talk this way about this specific lady who is easily identifiable, and this board is readily searchable on the internet. Should she search, this thread would be discoverable. There are also plenty of people from Edmonton on this board.

So why, exactly, is it disrespectful for her to call an nameless man "partially toothless" and "unemployed" but it's ok for you to call a lady "overweight" and "below average in attractiveness" on an open, public, and very popular forum?

Like... ouch dude.

What would you prefer? Having one person says date with you was "surreal"? Or have a group of men/women on a public forum look at your picture and call you overweight, below average, and state you're a potential match for someone who thinks "looks don't matter"?
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So, spending $7000 will the promise of someone who is a good match, and instead getting a partially toothless, "homeless" (camper bound), unemployed man who spent the meal chewing on plastic cutlery doesn't fit the term "surreal" to you?

It's not as though he's named. She is the only person who knows who he is, so it's the opinion of one lady on an otherwise nameless, faceless man. This isn't a public shaming. The public has zero idea who this person is.

Odd that you found the focus on his imperfections disrespectful after all this:







The difference being, I guess, is she has a name, and hundreds of people have seen you talk this way about this specific lady who is easily identifiable, and this board is readily searchable on the internet. Should she search, this thread would be discoverable. There are also plenty of people from Edmonton on this board.

So why, exactly, is it disrespectful for her to call an nameless man "partially toothless" and "unemployed" but it's ok for you to call a lady "overweight" and "below average in attractiveness" on an open, public, and very popular forum?

Like... ouch dude.

What would you prefer? Having one person says date with you was "surreal"? Or have a group of men/women on a public forum look at your picture and call you overweight, below average, and state you're a potential match for someone who thinks "looks don't matter"?
I am not sure if you are serious, but you realize that she made it public by going to the nations's largest public media. Any public reaction the story gets is justifiable. Her photo and details were posted by CBC, presumably with her approval. I am not nearly as far reaching as CBC.

As far as anyone knows, the man that they smear didn't have a choice and the descriptions of him might not even be accurate. And while his name might not be public, you are assuming that because of his status, that he must not have social network that won't see this get back to him. Or you are assuming that his feelings somehow don't matter. For all you know, he went home and told his friends that he met a lovely lady and hoped to see her again.
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I am not sure if you are serious, but you realize that she made it public by going to the nations's largest public media. Any public reaction the story gets is justifiable. Her photo and details were posted by CBC, presumably with her approval. I am not nearly as far reaching as CBC.

As far as anyone knows, the man that they smear didn't have a choice and the descriptions of him might not even be accurate. And while his name might not be public, you are assuming that because of his status, that he must not have social network that won't see this get back to him. Or you are assuming that his feelings somehow don't matter. For all you know, he went home and told his friends that he met a lovely lady and hoped to see her again.
No. Calling her overweight and unattractive might be "justifiable" to you, but it certainly isn't respectful, so calling out a story that lists negative details about someone while calling someone overweight and unattractive is hypocritical. You can't have it two ways, either the act is disrespectful or not, if it is, you've been nothing but, if it isn't, you've got nothing to complain about.

There is no smear. This man has zero public persona. At worst, his personal feelings will be hurt. Otherwise he isn't named, no picture is shown, his reputation is in no danger whatsoever. If his feelings matter, why don't hers? What gives you the right to say disrespectful things, knowing they would hurt someone's feelings if seen, while criticising someone else for the same? Because you believe you're safe in the anonymity of a message board? So it's ok to say things behind someone's back if you think they won't find out? but not if they might?

That's not at all how being "respectful" works, and I'd learn how it does before criticising others of their failure at it.
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No. Calling her overweight and unattractive might be "justifiable" to you, but it certainly isn't respectful
She's a bow wow who needed to pay for a date, she has a lot of nerve complaining about her match.
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Usually, or at least stereotypically, the guy pays the bucks to have a chance with someone out of his league.

It appears the same process does not work in reverse for the lady.
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Usually, or at least stereotypically, the guy pays the bucks to have a chance with someone out of his league.

It appears the same process does not work in reverse for the lady.
She did say she was no ones sugar momma.

That said Among divorced friends many of the ex wives are dating younger so established female professionals are recognizing there power in the dating pool.
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No. Calling her overweight and unattractive might be "justifiable" to you, but it certainly isn't respectful, so calling out a story that lists negative details about someone while calling someone overweight and unattractive is hypocritical. You can't have it two ways, either the act is disrespectful or not, if it is, you've been nothing but, if it isn't, you've got nothing to complain about.

There is no smear. This man has zero public persona. At worst, his personal feelings will be hurt. Otherwise he isn't named, no picture is shown, his reputation is in no danger whatsoever. If his feelings matter, why don't hers? What gives you the right to say disrespectful things, knowing they would hurt someone's feelings if seen, while criticising someone else for the same? Because you believe you're safe in the anonymity of a message board? So it's ok to say things behind someone's back if you think they won't find out? but not if they might?

That's not at all how being "respectful" works, and I'd learn how it does before criticising others of their failure at it.
If her feelings matter why don't his?

I get that her motivation is to out a shady company but she's the one that brought the attention to this so her actions will cause his feelings to be hurt. Not the other way around.
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If her feelings matter why don't his?

I get that her motivation is to out a shady company but she's the one that brought the attention to this so her actions will cause his feelings to be hurt. Not the other way around.
Nobody says his doesn't.

My point is pretty simply that you can't condemn her or the article for disrespect while being blatantly disrespectful to her, or else you just like petty and hypocritical.

If his feelings matter and it's wrong to criticise his looks for that reason, there's no excuse to do the same to her.

"Yeah but, they did it first!" is an excuse that most of us stopped using for ugly behaviour when we were in elementary. It's not a good look for an adult.
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I am not going to respond to everything because I don't need to be the last word.

Saying she is "middle aged, overweight and below average attractiveness" is not disrespectful. They are facts supported by the evidence she provided. Almost everyone is at least one of those things. Just like saying "toothless, homeless and unemployed" is not disrespectful if they are facts, however we don't even know if those are facts or her exaggerations. Given that it later states he was "gap-toothed" and lived in a trailer, I wouldn't be surprised if she was exaggerating to make her point. For the sake of not arguing, I will assume she was being 100% accurate, because it really doesn't matter.

It becomes disrespectful when she implies he was gross and expressed such disgust in the man that being with him was "surreal" and brought her so much shame that she couldn't leave the house after. If you can't see the difference, then there really isn't any point in continuing the discussion.
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I think the bottom line is she could have made her point without the nasty description of some random guy she was hooked up with. If she wanted to argue her position in a lawsuit she could have done so in that forum. If she wanted a headline story then she certainly went about doing that the right way.

A few years ago there was a business in Calgary that advertised themselves as job placement specialists. You pay 5k and they get you a good job. Of course it was basically a 5k resume writing workshop with zero success in getting people jobs. They too were run out of town by consumer complaints but without the toothless publicity.
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I think the bottom line is she could have made her point without the nasty description of some random guy she was hooked up with.
Absolutely. Just sad to see some embarrassing men see that as an opportunity to be nasty right back, especially when they have to bend over backwards to condemn her while justifying themselves. Pretty terrible look.
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"Embarassing men" lol. Her judging him by his looks, height, appearance isn't embarassing? She's overweight, middle aged and unattractive. Is it really a surprise they couldn't find her what she was hoping for? What is the company supposed to say? "Sorry but my business will not accept your money because we think you are too unattractive for us to find you anybody" they'd be out of business in days if they did that to everyone that came in.

They'd also be out of business within days if a little common sense was used and people would actually Google reviews of companies they're paying thousands of dollars to. It literally takes me 10 seconds to find out this is a scummy deceptive company with bad reviews.

What they're doing is not illegal, scummy yes, but she's a fool for being scammed the same way I was a fool for buying "high end" speakers out of the back of a van. At least that happened when nobody had easy access to Internet and nobody had a phone that could even use Internet.
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The comments on her appearance were in response to those questioning why a match to her standards would be extremely difficult. The honest answer is that she has negative traits that male clients want to avoid, and apparently it had to be spelled out because that was questioned as well.

If you don't want to know the honest answer, don't ask the question.
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