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sureLoss · 10-05-2015, 11:36 AM

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Hartley also says Ortio is No. 3 on the depth chart. #Flames

Ramo named starter for season opener, and Hiller will back him up.

This should be a conversation starter.

alan21 · 10-05-2015, 11:38 AM

Just propping up Ramo and Hiller to increase trade value? People are more likely to trade for the top 2 goalies and not the 3rd stringer.

Coach · 10-05-2015, 11:38 AM

Interesting.

Remember though, he could be #3 on the depth chart, but still be in the plans as 1 of the 2 that will go forward. The separation between the 3 is so small, it makes sense that the ones with more experience and history would be above the young unproven guy. One of Ramo or Hiller will still be moved.

SuperMatt18 · 10-05-2015, 11:38 AM

Ortio was the best in pre-season probably, but you have two guys who were good goalies for a playoff team last year, and you are likely looking to move 1 of the 2 so makes sense they are your top 2 in order to start the season.

Ortio ending up as #3 is not too surprising, I think the really issue is we overplayed our hand in the off-season and thought that we had a market to move Hiller (IMO).

dammage79 · 10-05-2015, 11:39 AM

2 Finns getting screwed out of the gate this year. Coaches and GM's have their hands tied, I get it. But this is all sorts of dumb. At least they're not exposing him to waivers.

shogged · 10-05-2015, 11:40 AM

im gonna bet it's just positioning.

Poe969 · 10-05-2015, 11:41 AM

Play Hiller on Saturday against the nucks to make him look good then trade him.

I still think Ortio is our starter by Christmas time.

Hockeyguy15 · 10-05-2015, 11:41 AM

If he really is #3 on the depth chart they would have put him on waivers. This is just posturing until a trade can be made.

Erick Estrada · 10-05-2015, 11:42 AM

It appears they feel Ortio won't clear waivers so they are going to see which one of Ramo or Hiller plays themselves off the team.

Camronius · 10-05-2015, 11:43 AM

Increased competition. You know that as soon as one guy has a bad game the other guy draws in. That's what happened all last year. I wonder with three guys, if you have a bad game if you will get dropped behind both backups, could be interesting up until we find a trading partner...

Hackey · 10-05-2015, 11:44 AM

Maybe some goalie injuries around the league first week can help us out.

Cali Panthers Fan · 10-05-2015, 11:45 AM

Can't wait for the overly simplistic "earned, not given" comments that have been so prevalent in this training camp.

GreenLantern2814 · 10-05-2015, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by alan21

Just propping up Ramo and Hiller to increase trade value? People are more likely to trade for the top 2 goalies and not the 3rd stringer.

We can only hope they're that foolish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miikka_Kiprusoff

jayswin · 10-05-2015, 11:46 AM

Well, I think the way the goalies are ranked between Hartley and Treliving are two different stories and both likely have it right.

The coach having two established, serviceable vets ahead of the younger, less proven, hopefully future starter makes complete sense. While Brad likely still has his plan of trading one of the two vets for the ideal young future starter/vet back up goal in mind.

If Brad changed his tune and said his trading preference and goal is to ship out Ortio because his coach has him as number three on the depth chart then that would be cause for concern, but I suspect Brad will do the right thing like he always did.

I'm assuming this thread will draw lots of ire from fans just looking at Hartley's comments and assume that the whole organization has soured on Ortio and they're not doing things right, etc. But really it just boils down to all three goalies having a solid pre-season and going with the vets until one falters, which as we all know from last season WILL happen and Ortio will get his shot to run with it.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 10-05-2015, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

2 Finns getting screwed out of the gate this year. Coaches and GM's have their hands tied, I get it. But this is all sorts of dumb. At least they're not exposing him to waivers.

False statements are false. The goalie debate is very very interesting, but no one can suggest that Ortio is for sure the better option today vs. Hiller or Ramo. It's debatable, that's it, so it's impossible to say anyone is getting screwed.

Granlund was good in training camp, but I don't think I'd replace a single body scheduled to start on Wednesday with him........maybe Jooris, but again it's debatable.

So not sure how anyone is getting "screwed" at this point. This is a great problem to have for the Org. on the Granlund front, not dumb at all. People are putting way too much stock in the opening night roster, there's a whole season for this play out. It really is the difference between "earning" a spot and "creating or taking" spot. Granlund may have "earned" a spot (again debatable), but he certainly didn't create a spot for himself. If the Flames thought they would be a worse team with him out of the line up then some of their other options, they'd find a way to put him in. Right now, he's just proved he's as good an option as some of the other guys we have at our disposal, and when you do that, you subject yourself to contract status having an impact. That's on Granlund not the Flames, although I don't think he should be at all disappointed with his camp, great step forward IMO.

I'm sure they'd rather not be dealing with the 3 headed monster in goal issue for sure, that will be harder to solve, and I'm sure some pieces didn't fall into place as they'd hoped, but in the grand scheme of things, could be worse and as you say, at least they aren't exposing him to waivers at this point.

dammage79 · 10-05-2015, 11:50 AM

Not Treliving or Hartley or anyone else like having the 3 goalies. They made their bed though. And Ortio, who was the strongest out of the 3, even if it was not by much, gets shuffled down. Just don't like it. Again, I get that hands are tied a bit here.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 10-05-2015, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Not Treliving or Hartley or anyone else like having the 3 goalies. They made their bed though. And Ortio, who was the strongest out of the 3, even if it was not by much, gets shuffled down. Just don't like it. Again, I get that hands are tied a bit here.

Again, debatable, and training camp shouldn't be and I doubt is the only data point they are using in their decision. Lots of things other than how did they play in this years camp should be going into the thought process for all 3 guys.

dammage79 · 10-05-2015, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

False statements are false. The goalie debate is very very interesting, but no one can suggest that Ortio is for sure the better option today vs. Hiller or Ramo. It's debatable, that's it, so it's impossible to say anyone is getting screwed.

Granlund was good in training camp, but I don't think I'd replace a single body scheduled to start on Wednesday with him........maybe Jooris, but again it's debatable.

So not sure how anyone is getting "screwed" at this point. This is a great problem to have for the Org. on the Granlund front, not dumb at all. People are putting way too much stock in the opening night roster, there's a whole season for this play out. It really is the difference between "earning" a spot and "creating or taking" spot. Granlund may have "earned" a spot (again debatable), but he certainly didn't create a spot for himself. If the Flames thought they would be a worse team with him out of the line up then some of their other options, they'd find a way to put him in. Right now, he's just proved he's as good an option as some of the other guys we have at our disposal, and when you do that, you subject yourself to contract status having an impact. That's on Granlund not the Flames, although I don't think he should be at all disappointed with his camp, great step forward IMO.

I'm sure they'd rather not be dealing with the 3 headed monster in goal issue for sure, that will be harder to solve, and I'm sure some pieces didn't fall into place as they'd hoped, but in the grand scheme of things, could be worse and as you say, at least they aren't exposing him to waivers at this point.

It's not a false statement, it's an opinion. And one that has some validity. they're both victims of circumstance is all. Simply too much depth has been acquired/re-signed and both have earned their way onto the main roster.

hockey.modern · 10-05-2015, 11:54 AM

Possibility of the two vets still battling it out but Ortio has made it?

GranteedEV · 10-05-2015, 11:54 AM

Bringing back Ramo at such a massive cap hit was a huge mistake.