[News] Flames put Byron and Raymond on waivers. UPD: Byron claimed by Habs - Page 3 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

bax · 10-05-2015, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

Ok sureLoss, you got some 'splainin to do.

Why would we waive all three of these guys? What rule allows Byron and Raymond to be waived, but not report to Stockton?

Granlund didn't get waived. Byron and Raymond is the same situation as Bickell in Chicago

handgroen · 10-05-2015, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

Ok sureLoss, you got some 'splainin to do.

Why would we waive all three of these guys?

claim linden vey?

sureLoss · 10-05-2015, 10:26 AM

Pat Steinberg @Fan960Steinberg
Neither Byron nor Raymond on the ice this morning. #Flames

good sign they will be assigned to the AHL once cleared

Finger Cookin · 10-05-2015, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

If they clear, they can be demoted any time within next 30 days/10 NHL games, so this just gives the Flames a window to demote, or see if another team takes them off their hands

I think that window is key. It sets a clock on both Byron and Raymond to show what they can do. Because Granlund, Hathaway, Shore, and a host of others are chomping at the bit.

Coach · 10-05-2015, 10:28 AM

Nvm. Didn't know about window.

michalek · 10-05-2015, 10:28 AM

Has Shore be assigned to Stockton or still in Calgary ?

Robbob · 10-05-2015, 10:29 AM

I think this is a case of trying to sneak Byron through because every team has their established rosters. He can still stay up till the end of October at which time the Flames will have to make some decisions as injured players start to return if everything stays status quo.

NVM, just read the Steinberg tweet.

Finger Cookin · 10-05-2015, 10:29 AM

nm, answered

Erick Estrada · 10-05-2015, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by michalek

Has Shore be assigned to Stockton or still in Calgary ?

Pretty sure he's in Stockton.

Finger Cookin · 10-05-2015, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

Waived, assigned, whatever.

Same situation doesn't really answer the question. Why can they be waived but kept on the main roster?

Once a player clears waivers, they don't have to be assigned. They can be assigned within 30 days or 10 games without needing to be placed on waivers again, though.

ClubFlames · 10-05-2015, 10:30 AM

Please Arizona, put in a claim for Raymond.

getbak · 10-05-2015, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

Why would we waive all three of these guys? What rule allows Byron and Raymond to be waived, but not report to Stockton?

It's standard waiver rules.

Once a player clears waivers, he can be in the NHL for 30 days or 10 NHL games played (cumulative) before requiring waivers again. Because every team is trying to set their 23 man rosters for opening night, it's less likely that any player who's on waivers today will be claimed.

Players who clear waivers do not have to be sent to the AHL. Remember a couple of years ago when the Flames waived all of Kipper's backups (Karlsson and I don't remember who the second guy was -- Irving or MacDonald, I believe)? The plan was to keep one of them in Calgary and send the other to Abbotsford, unless one of them was claimed, then, they'd keep the one who was left. It also gave them the flexibility to swap them between the AHL and NHL until the 30 days had expired.

This gives the Flames flexibility for the next month.

sureLoss · 10-05-2015, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

Waived, assigned, whatever.

Same situation doesn't really answer the question. Why can they be waived but kept on the main roster?

Waivers does not mean assigned.

Waivers is one step in the process to get players with a certain amount of experience assigned to the AHL

Just because a player is on waivers does not mean they will be assigned to the AHL.

Resolute 14 · 10-05-2015, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

Waived, assigned, whatever.

Same situation doesn't really answer the question. Why can they be waived but kept on the main roster?

Because there is no rule that actually says you have to re-assign a waived player.

What passing a guy through waivers does is give the team more options. Once a waiver-eligible player clears, you have 30 days or 10 games (whichever comes first) where you can freely demote or recall said player without issue.

GioforPM · 10-05-2015, 10:31 AM

Byron didn't seem as quick as mid-season last year. He wasn't really a standout in camp over guys like Granlund or Jooris. I was a bit down on Grannie last year, but he had a great camp IMO.

Raymond was a no-brainer IMO. That said, maybe he can turn his game around a bit and be a leader there (that happens so rarely though). Seems like a nice guy - hope he can handle it well.

codynw · 10-05-2015, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

Waived, assigned, whatever.

Same situation doesn't really answer the question. Why can they be waived but kept on the main roster?

Being waived doesn't necessarily mean being demoted. They can be waived, kept on the main roster and still be demoted within 30 days.

CroFlames · 10-05-2015, 10:31 AM

I wanted this to happen, but I'm surprised it did. I thought BT would hang onto Raymond as insurance. Basically have a guy with NHL experience ready to go.

I'm actually more surprised about Vey? I thought he was good, based on what I read and my limited viewings of him. Wonder of BT puts in a claim and turn him into a player? hahaha.

GranteedEV · 10-05-2015, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I bet both clear.

There are lots of Byron's around the league - 13th forwards who can show flashes at times.

In the last two seasons, if you isolate for Forwards with

1) CorsiRel > +3.0%
2) Offensive Zone Faceoff % < 33%
3) Defensive Zone Faceoff % > 33%

Wanna guess how many players there are that fit these three basic criterion? Wanna guess who they are?

Patrice Bergeron
Mikael Backlund
Paul Stastny
Joe Thornton
Gabriel Landeskog
Paul Byron

Even if you say, "well the other five are way better players than Byron", that still means.. there's no other Byron in the NHL.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 10-05-2015, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

Ok sureLoss, you got some 'splainin to do.

Why would we waive all three of these guys? What rule allows Byron and Raymond to be waived, but not report to Stockton?

Being waived and being sent to the minors are two very different things. They get grouped together because veteran players (based on which contract they are on etc.., I'm no expert on when this kicks in and stuff) cannot be sent to the minors without being put through waivers first. Essentially it's written in the CBA that a veteran player must be give the opportunity to see if another NHL team wants him and his contract before his existing team is allowed to send him to the AHL.

But a team can waive a player for at any time, even if it's not to send them down. Basically it's a decleration to the rest of the NHL, you can have this guy for no assets in return if you want him. If that player clears waivers, their existing team can do whatever they want after, send him to the minors, play him the next day, sit him in the press box. Minors and waivers don't have to go hand in hand, but often do.

As mentioned, Grandlund is not on a contract that requires him to be waived before going to the minors, and he was not waived today, just sent to the minors.

GioforPM · 10-05-2015, 10:35 AM

Byron didn't seem as quick as mid-season last year. He wasn't really a standout in camp over guys like Granlund or Jooris. I was a bit down on Grannie last year, but he had a great camp IMO.

Raymond was a no-brainer IMO. That said, maybe he can turn his game around a bit and be a leader there (that happens so rarely though). Seems like a nice guy - hope he can handle it well.