05-27-2017, 11:03 AM
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Not a player on this team who isn't trade bait IMO, if another GM is willing to overvalue him.
Ferland is a very handy guy to have around, especially at decent money. But everything changes if he starts looking for a big $'s and/or term next year.
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05-27-2017, 11:04 AM
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#22
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Not a player on this team who isn't trade bait IMO, if another GM is willing to overvalue him.
Ferland is a very handy guy to have around, especially at decent money. But everything changes if he starts looking for a big $'s and/or term next year.
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05-27-2017, 11:18 AM
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#23
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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On this team Ferland has the hardest shot(and can get it through traffic cleanly), the best accelleration, good vision, reliable two-way play despite the occasional giveaway, is a good screener, is simply excellent at takeaways, and he's clearly still developing rougher aspects of his game (backhand, tapping in rebounds, and deflecting point shots). I don't see a finished package at all.
I see no reason he can't be a 25/25 guy at some point before he starts to slow down physically. I don't think he's got "elite" upside or anything, but I don't see why he can't be a poor man's version of Jamie Benn. Style-wise it's actually who comes to mind for me as no one else in the league really has the same package.
One thing I would like is for Ferly to get more PK/PP time over guys like Bouma/Frolik respectively.
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05-27-2017, 11:32 AM
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#24
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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What is Ferlands potential with the flames?
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Originally Posted by N-E-B
I could see him having one or two 20 goal seasons, but that's about it.
I really like Ferland but I just don't see him getting much better.
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I don't see why not. Sure, Ferland is now 25-years-old, but he had a very late start to his hockey career and has improved every season since going pro. Last year was just his second NHL season, and he was substantially better this year than in 2015-16. I see no reason to think that he won't take another big step next year.
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05-27-2017, 11:42 AM
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#25
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
I don't see why not. Sure, Ferland is now 25-years-old, but he had a very late start to his hockey career and has improved every season since going pro. Last year was just his second NHL season, and he was substantially better this year than in 2015-16. I see no reason to think that he won't take another big step next year.
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2nd season!!! Wow, feels like he has been a Flame for 3 or 4 years now.
Hopefully he takes another step forward in his 3rd season!
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05-27-2017, 11:45 AM
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#26
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Lifetime Suspension
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90 goals, 200 points.
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05-27-2017, 11:46 AM
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Norm!
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I think he's got the potential to be a 20 goal 30 to 40 point guy given ice time and pp time.
For you older bastards out there he's a more skilled version of Willi Plett
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05-27-2017, 12:06 PM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Back in Calgary!!
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I don't think he will ever "put it all together"....I also think that he's trying to adapt his game in the interest of longevity. Hes a smart kid and he probably sees guys that play the wrecking ball style and their careers are starting to fizzle earlier and earlier.
I think a realistic expectation is a career average of 15 to 20 goals, 20 ish assists. But he will also have that one or two years where everything goes his way and he pots 30 goals.
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05-27-2017, 12:19 PM
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by sa226
I don't think he will ever "put it all together"....I also think that he's trying to adapt his game in the interest of longevity. Hes a smart kid and he probably sees guys that play the wrecking ball style and their careers are starting to fizzle earlier and earlier.
I think a realistic expectation is a career average of 15 to 20 goals, 20 ish assists. But he will also have that one or two years where everything goes his way and he pots 30 goals.
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Yep, he had a perfect example right in front of his eyes in Lance Bouma of what happens when you constantly sacrifice your body to contribute and win.
It sounds like the right thing to do, play to win at all costs, but as much as fans and coaches praise it, they'll turn on you the second you can't do it anymore and that time WILL come soon for role players playing that way. All you're really helping is that years version of your team, and I would be concerned of doing that if I was a player.
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05-27-2017, 12:27 PM
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Realtor®
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Calgary
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I think he can play all rolls but is best suited on the 2nd or 3rd line with a Bennet or Tkachuk. There is too much pressure on the top line and people want to see him play that heavy hitting game. That won't work on the top line as he needs to be driving the net and not caught behind the play on a huge hit.
Playing with Bennet or Tkachuk makes that line a instant frustrating line for the other team with skill to score.
4th line is a waste of his talent.
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05-27-2017, 12:33 PM
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#31
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
90 goals, 200 points.
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05-27-2017, 12:37 PM
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#32
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First Line Centre
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Probably a second line guy at the worst... I agree with MarkGio that a line with Chucky Bennett and Ferland would be quite the package
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05-27-2017, 12:37 PM
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Franchise Player
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He's Calgary's Hartnell, and I like that.
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05-27-2017, 12:42 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
90 goals, 200 points.
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You mean next season?
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05-27-2017, 12:56 PM
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#35
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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I think Matt Cooke type of production would be his ceiling. He will probably flirt with 20/20, 40 points.
Bu ideally, a good team would have him on the bottom 6.
Disclaimer: I am not saying he is a dirty POS like Cooke, although Ferland does have a bit of a nasty edge.
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05-27-2017, 01:00 PM
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#36
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by memphusk
He's Calgary's Hartnell, and I like that.
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Hartnell Lite with more speed
Which is fine, but by this point in Scotty's career he'd already scored 20+ three times.
Like I said, Hartnell lite is just fine by me as long as his cap hit fits that type production accordingly.
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05-27-2017, 01:07 PM
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#37
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Hartnell Lite with more speed
Which is fine, but by this point in Scotty's career he'd already scored 20+ three times.
Like I said, Hartnell lite is just fine by me as long as his cap hit fits that type production accordingly.
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And this is why it is so important to factor Ferland's age against his experience when making comparisons. Ferland's current progression and his trajectory suggests that at 25-years-old he still has a lot more room to grow than someone like Hartnall did at the same age.
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05-27-2017, 01:17 PM
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#38
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
And this is why it is so important to factor Ferland's age against his experience when making comparisons. Ferland's current progression and his trajectory suggests that at 25-years-old he still has a lot more room to grow than someone like Hartnall did at the same age.
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I completely agree with this, which is why I would certainly keep him in the fold.
Even if he stays what he is right now he's a very useful player.
If he actually has more to give then we've hit a homerun.
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05-27-2017, 01:24 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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How do Ferland compare to Nick Rickie in your opinion? I think both are hard nosed players with skills. Nick is a much higher pick but as to ceiling..., who knows!?
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05-27-2017, 04:01 PM
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Franchise Player
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I really believe Ferland has more development. I look at development simply as "a player is developing until he no longer is".
Who here can say that last season Ferland didn't take a step forward in his overall game? Sure, consistency is key, but his baseline went up and his 'peaks' definitely went up as well. Why are people going to say: "That's all the room he has left to grow, and he is what he is now."?
He is what he is when he is 'that' for a couple of seasons in a row. He is progressing every year, and until he stops, I expect him to progress every year.
Ferland is not your typical player. Started late. Battled fitness issues. Battled addiction issues. Got his head on straight and is now climbing steadily as a player. Nobody at this point can really say. He may end up being a legitimate top line winger. He may end up as just a pretty good bottom 6 player. I would bank he ends up somewhere in the top 6.
Ferland - as he is today - is a very valuable piece for the Flames. His speed, IQ, physicality, his shot, his passing ability, his board work, his defensive acumen - these make him a very versatile player that can play all up and down the lineup on either wing, and in any situation, and not hurt this team.
Also, I like the fact that he is such a clean player given the type of game he plays. He went through like half the season without taking a minor penalty. That's awesome.
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