I think it's time Treliving starts taking some serious heat

[MisterJoji]

Guy came in like gangbusters and has a lot of good things on his resume but some serious concerns as well. His trades have been great: Low acquisition cost of Hamilton and Elliott, upgrading Granlund to Shinkaruk, Sven for a 2nd rounder is alright, Chiasson for Seiloff looks good.

FA signings have been good: Brouwer, Frolik, Johnson, even Engelland has been decent this year and Hiller was good until he forgot how to goalie.

Re-signings have been phenomenal. Brodie, Gio, Gaudreau, Monahan all likely at or below market value.

But then there's the 3 headed goalie monster from last year and that's all on him. Just completely destroyed the confidence of our 1A/B situation. Colborne has 4 points in 5 games for the Avs, and this coaching hire has been an utter disaster. I know Hartley had bad advanced stats but I feel he really earned himself one more year with adequate goaltending. Interviewing more than one candidate should be a given, especially with Boudreau, Bylsma and others available. Gulutzan looks so over his head it's scary and I fear the optics of firing your handpicked choice this early will prevent Gulutzan from being deservedly fired.

[Ashasx]

can't wait for Burke to take over and we get more great contracts like stajan

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Re-signings have been phenomenal. Brodie, Gio, Gaudreau, Monahan all likely at or below market value.

Brodie deal is fantastic.
Giordano deal is average.
Gaudreau deal is average. Had it been 8yrs @ $6.75, that would have been phenomenal, but it was essentially the Taransenko deal, less 2 yrs term.
Monahan got more than MacKinnon, Forsberg, and Barkov.... he is definitely not below market value.

[Johnny Rotten]

I don't know if Gulutzman is to be totally blamed, but Firing Hartley was for what reason? Too hard in these guys?

Can Hitchcock be convinced NOT to retire next year?

[bax]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Brodie deal is fantastic.

Giordano deal is average.

Gaudreau deal is average. Had it been 6yrs @ $6.75, that would have been phenomenal, but it was essentially the Taransenko deal, less 2 yrs term.

Monahan got more than MacKinnon, Forsberg, and Barkov.... he is definitely not below market value.

Is that not the Gaudreau contract...?

[Monahan For Mayor]

If we fire Brad. Maloney has to be the man atleast temporarily. I don't want to fire Brad, but I want to fire Gully. It's looking like he messed up that hire, but I'd give him another chance.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Finally, this thread is overdue.

[Aarongavey]

Granlund got another goal tonight for Vancouver. Guy looks like an NHLer. Shinkaruk cannot even make the Flames. The Bollig trade left something to be desired.

Raymond was an awful UFA signing, Englland is overpaid and Giordano is a boat anchor of a contract. Giordano is not below market value in 2020, he is about 5 million above market value that year. Monahan is the highest paid forward out of his draft year but he is not the best (Barkov is).

I think it is hard to rank Treliving above painfully mediocrely bad as a GM.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by bax

Is that not the Gaudreau contract...?

Screwed up initially. Got me before the edit.

[lazypucker]

I don't know why Treliving balked at the "risky" signing of Nakladal while making "safe" signings such as Grossman...

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Brodie deal is fantastic.
Giordano deal is average.
Gaudreau deal is average. Had it been 8yrs @ $6.75, that would have been phenomenal, but it was essentially the Taransenko deal, less 2 yrs term.
Monahan got more than MacKinnon, Forsberg, and Barkov.... he is definitely not below market value.

No one thought Gaudreau's deal was going to be less than < 7 million AAV, it's definitely below market. And Monahan's is likely at market value.

[Ashasx]

Besides Gulutzan (at this point), what would people have done differently?

[calgaryblood]

Upgrading Granlund to Shinkaruk? I'd take Granlund back in a heart beat.

[Locke]

Barring a pretty miraculous turnaround this team is in serious, serious trouble if the stated desire to make the playoffs was legitimate.

Forget the 'we did it, Anaheim did it, whomever else did it' its still an outlier. Its significantly unlikely.

Just because it isnt impossible isnt an excuse.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Besides Gulutzan (at this point), what would people have done differently?

Definitely wouldn't have signed Grossman I think that's the most obvious one when you have Kulak and Wotherspoon both knocking at the door.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Granlund got another goal tonight for Vancouver. Guy looks like an NHLer. Shinkaruk cannot even make the Flames. The Bollig trade left something to be desired.

Raymond was an awful UFA signing, Englland is overpaid and Giordano is a boat anchor of a contract. Giordano is not below market value in 2020, he is about 5 million above market value that year. Monahan is the highest paid forward out of his draft year but he is not the best (Barkov is).

I think it is hard to rank Treliving above painfully mediocrely bad as a GM.

Ugh, I forgot about Raymond. Yeah, that's a black mark. I still think Shinkaruk will be better than Granlund.

[Stay Golden]

Is there any past connection between Bradley and Dallas Gulutzan?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Besides Gulutzan (at this point), what would people have done differently?

Not signed Giordano to that boat anchor of a contract. The guy was not a top 10 overall dman in the league when he signed it and he definitely won't be top 10 in the league this year or for any foreseeable year during the contract.

[boogerz]

It's no different than the Feaster situation. Generally makes solid decisions, but when he makes a mistake, it's glaring...

However, who replaces BT if he gets canned?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by jg13

Definitely wouldn't have signed Grossman I think that's the most obvious one when you have Kulak and Wotherspoon both knocking at the door.

I just don't think that's why the Flames have one win in six games.