Haiti's government collpapses

[CaptainCrunch]

Just after spending 123 million to Haiti, the government has collapsed, The US military is sending marines to secure their embassy and evacuate staff.


Ariel Henry the current "Leader" is now outside of the country, and the gangs control the streets.


Just seeing videos, its a slaughter house with burnt corpses littering the streets.


Unless the West sends troops in, Haiti is a complete anarchy.

[DownInFlames]

Haiti has been a failed state for quite a while now. Something needed to be done after the earthquake because it's been a sharp decline since then.

[Ozy_Flame]

He's been outside the country and was unable to land in Port-au-Prince on Feb 25. Michael Boisvert is acting PM. Not that it changes much here, but context matters.

[Mr.Coffee]

Wonder how long until this happens to the USA? I think after Trump wins, about 4 years.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Just seeing videos, its a slaughter house with burnt corpses littering the streets.

That's a gross understatement, there's literally cannibalism videos on X of gangs eating flesh from still burning corpses.

NSFL do NOT search Haiti right now.

[Geraldsh]

It will be interesting to see how long anarchy lasts before it transitions to a dictatorship.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Firebot

That's a gross understatement, there's literally cannibalism videos on X of gangs eating flesh from still burning corpses.

NSFL do NOT search Haiti right now.

Wtf???

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Wtf???

Supposedly the one video that is currently making the rounds is 2 years old at according to one source (have tried to validate but been unable to confirm), but the video itself is very real and very NSFL and it still the first thing you see.

There's no real way to avoid that video on X right now, just don't go.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

How exactly does one validate a cannibalism video?

[Firebot]

By searching for 'haiti cannibalism' from 2 years ago...and realized that I don't really want to validate if a cannibalism video is current or old that's how deep I went.

[afc wimbledon]

I think it's fair to say though if people were being murdered and eaten 2 years ago it isn't exactly an archeological event, it is likely to reoccur

[FlamesAddiction]

Haiti was punished for centuries for being able to assert there independence. They were burdened with sanctions, paying back costs they couldn't afford, other European colonial nations wouldn't recognize them or trade with them. Seeing Haiti become successful would have set a bad precedence in other slave colonies that hoped to rebel. The unfair reparations payments (or extortion payments) took Haiti 122 years to pay off (or to 1926). By that time, they were broke, starving, and extremely underdeveloped. They completely missed the industrial revolution because they were too poor to participate, and sanctions meant that other countries wouldn't deal with them. Add to that, they country is also prone to violent natural disasters.

The former colonial powers and countries in the Americas, really need to help Haiti to become a prosperous country. If you do that, there will be no need for violence.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Haiti was punished for centuries for being able to assert there independence. They were burdened with sanctions, paying back costs they couldn't afford, other European colonial nations wouldn't recognize them or trade with them. Seeing Haiti become successful would have set a bad precedence in other slave colonies that hoped to rebel. The unfair reparations payments (or extortion payments) took Haiti 122 years to pay off (or to 1926). By that time, they were broke, starving, and extremely underdeveloped. They completely missed the industrial revolution because they were too poor to participate, and sanctions meant that other countries wouldn't deal with them. Add to that, they country is also prone to violent natural disasters.

The former colonial powers and countries in the Americas, really need to help Haiti to become a prosperous country. If you do that, there will be no need for violence.

I'm such an ####### for not understanding or more accurately not caring much about the sheer evil of the colonialism. Reading a PBS history of Haiti this morning was jarring, and your description probably less ugly graphic than it deserves.
Fortunately I expect to be able to rather easily push this back aside and refocus my energies on more pressing issues, like getting gigabit wifi to all corners of my sprawling home.

[Dunnyberg]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Haiti was punished for centuries for being able to assert there independence. They were burdened with sanctions, paying back costs they couldn't afford, other European colonial nations wouldn't recognize them or trade with them. Seeing Haiti become successful would have set a bad precedence in other slave colonies that hoped to rebel. The unfair reparations payments (or extortion payments) took Haiti 122 years to pay off (or to 1926). By that time, they were broke, starving, and extremely underdeveloped. They completely missed the industrial revolution because they were too poor to participate, and sanctions meant that other countries wouldn't deal with them. Add to that, they country is also prone to violent natural disasters.

The former colonial powers and countries in the Americas, really need to help Haiti to become a prosperous country. If you do that, there will be no need for violence.

Welcome to the big leagues I guess? This is how big boy countries deal with each other. How many times has Canada been screwed over by the US?
It would be even worse nowadays because of the genocide Haiti committed (actual genocide, not the current one-size-fits-all definition).

Just looking at the wiki, most of the debt was cancelled and the US and Britain recognized Haiti and started trading two decades after independence.

Maybe Haitians are responsible for most of Haiti's problems?

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Haiti has been a failed state for quite a while now. Something needed to be done after the earthquake because it's been a sharp decline since then.

The FIRST earthquake.

Countries put hundreds of millions into disaster relief after the 2010 earthqake, and accomplished essentially nothing in terms of relief.

Haiti has a complicated history, lots of which is outlined above. Basically all of their natural resources are gone, governments haven't been very stable at the best of times, and they essentially have had NO government for the last 5 or so years.

Port au Prince is essentially ruled by violent gangs at this point. A couple weeks ago, these gangs broke open the prisons, and let 3000+ criminals escape, essentially making a lot more gang members. Reports out of the country are saying that the gang violence has gotten worse since.

There is some talk from places like Ghana, bringing an army over to restore control, but obviously restoring control itself would be extremely hard on civilians.

If there was an easy solution to fix that country, it would have been done a long time ago.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

The FIRST earthquake.

Countries put hundreds of millions into disaster relief after the 2010 earthqake, and accomplished essentially nothing in terms of relief.

Haiti has a complicated history, lots of which is outlined above. Basically all of their natural resources are gone, governments haven't been very stable at the best of times, and they essentially have had NO government for the last 5 or so years.

Port au Prince is essentially ruled by violent gangs at this point. A couple weeks ago, these gangs broke open the prisons, and let 3000+ criminals escape, essentially making a lot more gang members. Reports out of the country are saying that the gang violence has gotten worse since.

There is some talk from places like Ghana, bringing an army over to restore control, but obviously restoring control itself would be extremely hard on civilians.

If there was an easy solution to fix that country, it would have been done a long time ago.

In my readings its abundantly clear that when you roll in the Army...thats a desperate last resort.

Soldiers are trained to eliminate their enemy, when you put soldiers in charge of civilian populations? You have, by default, made the civilians 'The Enemy.'

And, Historically, that usually doesnt go well.

[MrSector9]

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37826098

[TheIronMaiden]

I once worked with a team of doctors who volunteered in Haiti every couple of years. ( I never went), the poverty they described was devastating. The Average Haitian lives off of $2USD a day.

[pseudoreality]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

The FIRST earthquake.

Countries put hundreds of millions into disaster relief after the 2010 earthqake, and accomplished essentially nothing in terms of relief.

I donated after the 2010 earthquake and had friends work there, both on the recovery and medical relief. It sounds like there was a lot of money available, but very little will of the people to do anything. Western companies were offering complete turn-key solutions to rebuild infrastructure, and the locals were like, "No, we don't want that. We'll just slowly mess around and build one small concrete building at a time."

I hate to say it, but it is almost like they need a little imperialism. A larger power needs to take over, make administrative decisions, and get stuff done. They are just not able to govern themselves.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Dunnyberg

Welcome to the big leagues I guess? This is how big boy countries deal with each other. How many times has Canada been screwed over by the US?
It would be even worse nowadays because of the genocide Haiti committed (actual genocide, not the current one-size-fits-all definition).

Just looking at the wiki, most of the debt was cancelled and the US and Britain recognized Haiti and started trading two decades after independence.

Maybe Haitians are responsible for most of Haiti's problems?

What a pants-on-head-stupid and blatantly ignorant comment. Wealthy countries and their banks sucked Haiti dry in the 19th and early 20th centuries, and repeated interference by France, Spain and the US has left them totally ####ed. The US basically took over de facto control of the country in the 1910s and didn't give it up until the late 1940s, and the US propped up the regimes of "Papa Doc" Duvalier and his son because—like so many other despots and autocrats around the world that had US support—they were anti-communists.