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Komskies · 02-19-2013, 01:12 PM

I just want to either make the playoffs or finish at the bottom of the league. No more finishing 9th or 10th, which is basically the worst result you can ask for.

kermitology · 02-19-2013, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Please please no. This approach is disgusting. This is a professional organization (at least it should be). The aforementioned approach was taken by Edmonton, openly taken, and it is disgusting.

It is better to admit you cannot compete given the assets you have at hand and try to rebuild in a better model. The fact is that the big pieces of the Flames are not pieces to build around, and to turn them into new assets is the best strategy for long term success.

This team will not make the playoffs, will not be competitive, will not be successful with it's current make up. We have seen the team degrade more and more over time, and enough is enough, cut your losses and start anew.

Flash Walken · 02-19-2013, 01:29 PM

Yeah, you don't lose by design.

The gameplan in practice isn't "And then you leave your guy uncovered in the slot."

It is realizing that the season is a failure at this point. It is almost mathematically impossible for the flames to make the playoffs over their rivals. There are injuries to some key players that will further deflate the position in the standings.

It's not about saying 'go out and lose', it is about prioritizing the movement of assets, some of which aren't even really contributing to success right now.

If the Flames lose as a byproduct of this then so be it, but it's losing is a byproduct of taking a sound analysis of the team, it's direction and long-term goals.

Season is over buddy, time to move with the other business of hockey.

undercoverbrother · 02-19-2013, 01:34 PM

I am not advocating not trading players. Iggy and Kipper are our best chance ar getting better. I still believe the Edmonton model was to finish bottom. How else do you explain them extending the GM's contract.....he was successful at their model.

gargamel · 02-19-2013, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

It is realizing that the season is a failure at this point. It is almost mathematically impossible for the flames to make the playoffs over their rivals. There are injuries to some key players that will further deflate the position in the standings.

Season is over buddy, time to move with the other business of hockey.

The Flames are 4 points out of the 8 spot with 2 games in hand. That's not where we'd like to be, but it's not "almost mathematically impossible" for us to make the playoffs. If we can keep up the .500 play until Kipper comes back and then he plays like he did in Chicago and Detroit, we'll almost certainly get in. Yes, that is two very big "ifs," but the season is far from over.

HELPNEEDED · 02-19-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gargamel

the flames are 4 points out of the 8 spot with 2 games in hand. That's not where we'd like to be, but it's not "almost mathematically impossible" for us to make the playoffs. If we can keep up the .500 play until kipper comes back and then he plays like he did in chicago and detroit, we'll almost certainly get in. Yes, that is two very big "ifs," but the season is far from over.

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FlamesAddiction · 02-19-2013, 01:43 PM

So, is what you are telling me is that a team that has relied on one goalie for the better part of a decade without putting any emphasis on having a qualified back-up goalie, is screwed once their #1 goalie gets injured and/or plays like crap?

That's crazy talk!

Roof-Daddy · 02-19-2013, 01:53 PM

Actually, the islanders have allowed more goals per game than the Flames as well.

Stanley Cup dreams aren't dashed quite yet.

Erick Estrada · 02-19-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gargamel

The Flames are 4 points out of the 8 spot with 2 games in hand. That's not where we'd like to be, but it's not "almost mathematically impossible" for us to make the playoffs. If we can keep up the .500 play until Kipper comes back and then he plays like he did in Chicago and Detroit, we'll almost certainly get in. Yes, that is two very big "ifs," but the season is far from over.

.500 play for another week would likely leave the Flames 6 points out of the playoffs by his return. It's not impossible but making up 6 points in the standings requires a prolonged winning streak just to get to 8th spot. However once they get in the 8th spot they would need to maintain a winning pace to secure that spot. We saw the team blow their wad just to get to 8th last year only to settle back because when you factor in injuries it's hard to prolong steady winning as even elite teams have peaks and valleys. It's not impossible but highly unlikely as the Flames have put themselves in a situation where they cannot afford any more valleys. Every single loss going forward is extremely damaging to their playoff chances.

Flash Walken · 02-19-2013, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gargamel

The Flames are 4 points out of the 8 spot with 2 games in hand. That's not where we'd like to be, but it's not "almost mathematically impossible" for us to make the playoffs. If we can keep up the .500 play until Kipper comes back and then he plays like he did in Chicago and Detroit, we'll almost certainly get in. Yes, that is two very big "ifs," but the season is far from over.

You expect the flames to not only win those games in hand, but also for the 5 teams between Calgary and a playoff spot to lose theirs?

Even if they make up the games in hand on Dallas, Calgary still loses the tiebreaker of wins.

I'm not trying to soil the season for anyone here, but since the 2004 lockout, if you're 4 points back of the playoffs after 10 games, you have a 7 percent chance of making the playoffs. Is that mathematically eliminated? No. Is it all but certain? yes.

FlamesAddiction · 02-19-2013, 02:03 PM

We haven't seen this team go on a real streak yet this season (good or bad). I think at some point, they are going to go on some prolonged streak of some kind (as most teams usually do at some point) and that will probably tell the story better. The fact that we have hung in there without any quality goaltending so far this season, makes me hope that when Kiprusoff comes back, things can improve (if he can elevate himself to what we are used to).

Alberta_Beef · 02-19-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by puckluck2

Worst defensive team in the west, and almost on par with the Panthers at 3.64 goals allowed a game.

Should Feaster be looking at trades for some defensive forwards? I don't think we can succeed without a Stephen Yelle type player or another defensive minded center.

I don't blame the stat on the goalie. Flames forwards don't backcheck like they skate for offensive chances. Something has to be done via trade IMO.

Flames are 3rd worst @ 3.43 goals against per game. The Islanders (3.60) and Panthers (3.73) are worse.

The Flames definitely need some help defensively, but at least have the figures right.

Roof-Daddy · 02-19-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Flames are 3rd worst @ 3.43 goals against per game. The Islanders (3.60) and Panthers (3.73) are worse.

The Flames definitely need some help defensively, but at least have the figures right.

He was using the numbers on the main standings page, which include shoot out winners.

puckluck2 · 02-19-2013, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Flames are 3rd worst @ 3.43 goals against per game. The Islanders (3.60) and Panthers (3.73) are worse.

The Flames definitely need some help defensively, but at least have the figures right.

My stats are according to TSN, and might include Shootout winning goals. Nevertheless we do need help defensively.

Alberta_Beef · 02-19-2013, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by puckluck2

My stats are according to TSN, and might include Shootout winning goals. Nevertheless we do need help defensively.

try NHL.com

more accurate and has sortable stats in many different areas.

Komskies · 02-19-2013, 02:20 PM

Arguing between 2nd and 3rd last is like arguing between a turd and a poop.

Roof-Daddy · 02-19-2013, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gargamel

The Flames are 4 points out of the 8 spot with 2 games in hand. That's not where we'd like to be, but it's not "almost mathematically impossible" for us to make the playoffs. If we can keep up the .500 play until Kipper comes back and then he plays like he did in Chicago and Detroit, we'll almost certainly get in. Yes, that is two very big "ifs," but the season is far from over.

Flames need to play roughly .600 hockey from here on out to have a shot at 7th/8th place, and that's providing that every single one of the 5-6 teams the Flames have to vault past, stay at their current paces and don't get hot for the remainder of their seasons......and all that isn't taking into account the defending Stanley Cup champs who are currently one of only two teams with a worse points percentage than the Flames, to date.

I like your optimistic attitude, I really do.....but playoffs chances for this years Flames are very slim.

FAN · 02-19-2013, 02:39 PM

Didn't Feaster's last Lightning team have the very same problem of allowing too many goals?

Sakari · 02-19-2013, 02:40 PM

We also have one of the lowest shots against a game. So it's not a defensive problem for the most part. Sub-par goaltending has been our issue most nights. Someone like Pavel Datsyuk would turn this team around, though, or Patrice Bergeron, but that's never going to happen.

Cyclops · 02-19-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Yeah, you don't lose by design.

The gameplan in practice isn't "And then you leave your guy uncovered in the slot."

It is realizing that the season is a failure at this point. It is almost mathematically impossible for the flames to make the playoffs over their rivals. There are injuries to some key players that will further deflate the position in the standings.

It's not about saying 'go out and lose', it is about prioritizing the movement of assets, some of which aren't even really contributing to success right now.

If the Flames lose as a byproduct of this then so be it, but it's losing is a byproduct of taking a sound analysis of the team, it's direction and long-term goals.

Season is over buddy, time to move with the other business of hockey.

Might want to put some new batteries in that calculator that you are using, something seems to be broken. As far as people saying that this team is done, get a grip. I guess with that thought the Sabres, Flyers and Tampa Bay are done and the Leafs are a lock to make the playoffs this year? Detroit, LA and the Wild are out in the west.....why did the Wild go out and waste money on Parise and Suter only to miss the playofss......

Keep on hating this team and hoping that they trade everyone and lose every game so they can begin the rebuild and find that success.