Phaneuf +/- after first 5 games

[CedarMeter]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Leaf fans still arguing he is an elite shutdown dman on hf

A lot of them are pissed at him..They're not all Leaf fans but you get the picture.
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1332683

[Bertuzzied]

People are still blaming the wrong Sutter on this trade. It was Brent who de-valued both Phaneuf and Regehr by forcefeeding us this combo which anyone with a hockey sense knew it didn't work. Sort of how he devalued Butler. Can we even get a 4th rounder for him right now?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

People are still blaming the wrong Sutter on this trade. It was Brent who de-valued both Phaneuf and Regehr by forcefeeding us this combo which anyone with a hockey sense knew it didn't work. Sort of how he devalued Butler. Can we even get a 4th rounder for him right now?

Was it Sutter who devalued him in Buffalo? Sorry, but Butler's warts are his own.

[dammage79]

Glad he isn't our problem anymore. Can't really say much more than that. T.O seems to ruin players. Granted Dion didn't really need much help in the department.

[Bar-Down]

Do you remember that rumour about a deal revolving around Phanuef for Spezza?

Could you imagine if Sutter would've done that...

[Rifleman]

Dion Phaneuf has only played well with two defense partners over his career. Roman Hamrlik and Jim Vandameer.

Hamrlik, because his talent could get the pair out of some tough situations, and Vandameer because he babysat the backend while teh Dion joined the rushes, which is one of his strengths.

Plus, we had Kipper playing out of his mind as usual, and as a result, Phaneuf's +/- wasn't abysmal.

[doctajones428]

Bouwmeester > Phaneuf


Still an awful, awful trade... Giordano, Bouwmeester, Wideman, Phaneuf and Brodie as your top 5? *drools*

[pylon]

But he's young he is only 24..... give him a chance. He's only a kid. It takes defensemen until they are 46 years old to mature. He will win a Norris. Give the kid a break defensemen take forever to mature.

/CPcircaJan2010.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Rifleman

Dion Phaneuf has only played well with two defense partners over his career. Roman Hamrlik and Jim Vandameer.

Hamrlik, because his talent could get the pair out of some tough situations, and Vandameer because he babysat the backend while teh Dion joined the rushes, which is one of his strengths.

Plus, we had Kipper playing out of his mind as usual, and as a result, Phaneuf's +/- wasn't abysmal.

perhaps his best was his calder year (arguably) and he was paired with marchment....

Phanuef shouldn't be a defensive dman, he's just not smart enough for that. However, if they took that role away from him, and let his other finer qualities as a player flourish a bit, he'd be a much more valuable player (ie. be more offensive, looking for big hits all over the ice). Making him the captain, and playing him on a pairing where he is depended on for defensive fortitude is just asking for trouble.

[SkunkyJosh]

I would still take back Dion Phaneuf.

[Gary83]

Originally Posted by cznTiburon

Is the title of the thread going to change after every game?

Dion Not So Fricken Phaneuf?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

I think he meant the Regehr of 3-4 years ago that Dion played with.

That guy wasn't that great either. Fans have selective memories but the truth is Regehr really never found his 'A' game after the 05 lockout as the rule changes. He wasn't very good in his last two years with the Flames and has maybe one or two years left in the NHL.

[vilzeh]

Phaneuf has been great this year. Shut up.

This, a million times this.

People. It's one loss. RELAX. Dion's played fantastic thus far.

He's played great this year. Logging in major minutes. Playing with more of an edge than I remember in a while.


I don't know what more people expect from him.

Some quotes from HFboards. I know, HFBoards, psssst.

Yet, guy is -8, 0+1 in 5 games, but as long as he logs 30 minutes a game, I guess he's good. That's one thing I will never understand, like here in CP many posters say things like: " Well he logged 25 minutes and so!", so what? 25 minutes of crappy hockey equals good player?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's 2nd in the league averaging nearly 28 minutes per game with a rookie opposing him. Dion has some warts on his game but when a guy plays nearly half the game every game for a team that isn't very good it doesn't take a rocket scientist to conclude that his +/- is going to take a hit.

Why wasn't this an excuse for Bouwmeester last year then?

[Vedder]

I won't pretend like I've watched him every game, but he sure was awful against the Rangers. Out of position, fixated on the puck with seemingly no awareness for their top forwards. It was like watching him in his rookie year in Calgary. Defensive game hasn't developed at all, and he isn't good enough offensively to justify his contract.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That guy wasn't that great either. Fans have selective memories but the truth is Regehr really never found his 'A' game after the 05 lockout as the rule changes. He wasn't very good in his last two years with the Flames and has maybe one or two years left in the NHL.

He was and is still better than Butler.

Regehr was plenty fine paired with Giordano AFTER the lockout.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

Bouwmeester > Phaneuf


Still an awful, awful trade... Giordano, Bouwmeester, Wideman, Phaneuf and Brodie as your top 5? *drools*

Yeah your #5 defenceman making $6.5mil/year.... Actually #6 I would place Sarich ahead of him.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Yeah your #5 defenceman making $6.5mil/year.... Actually #6 I would place Sarich ahead of him.

Ummm no. Dion is a good 2nd pairing d-man that can give out big hits and get points. Last year he had 44 points and a -10 on a crap team. Those are better stats than any flames d-man from last year who were also on a crap team.

Other than the last game i would take back Dion over Bouw anyday. At least we know he will give it his all coming down the stretch.

Has anybody actually seen Toronto this year? They are horrible. They are basically a younger version of the last 2 flames roster. The only difference is that they don't have a goaltender that will win them games and make them 9th-10th place team.

If i was Toronto i would not trade for Loungo. Tank the season and get a good draft pick.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's 2nd in the league averaging nearly 28 minutes per game with a rookie opposing him. Dion has some warts on his game but when a guy plays nearly half the game every game for a team that isn't very good it doesn't take a rocket scientist to conclude that his +/- is going to take a hit.

What you say is nearly true. However the fact is, the captain and supposed top defenseman of the team should not need a defensive partner who is better than him to cover for the captain's defensive miscues. When did Dion look good in Calgary? When he played with somebody who covered for his mistakes, and when he didn't play against the other team's top lines. Dion has talent but can't use it well against top players, and his talent stops when it comes to defensive play.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

Bouwmeester > Phaneuf


Still an awful, awful trade... Giordano, Bouwmeester, Wideman, Phaneuf and Brodie as your top 5? *drools*

Four of those players combined add up as over also makes over 22 million. That's a lot of money on defenders.