Sean FRICKIN Monahan

[Gaskal]

Realistically I'd expect Sean to even out as a 30-40 goal scorer in his prime.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

I HOPE he does. But expect?

Perry
Crosby
Stamkos x2
Iginla
Bure x2
Ovechkin x2
Cheechoo
Lecavalier
Hejduk

This has been done 12 times in about 16 years. And will probably be done even less in the next decade.
Not only that...but most of these players are extremely offensive, sniper type wingers. Monahan is not even comparable to these players in his playing style and only Stamkos, Lecavalier and Crosby on that list play his position and they are completely different types of players.

We knew that even when he was drafted. He is a wise, high hockey IQ, 2-way, top 4 C who is capable of scoring in front of the net. He has never scored more than 33 goals in the OHL.

50 goals..
Really?!?!

I hope so...but to expect that from Sean is not really fair to him or yourself imo.

He scored 22 with nothing on this team being geared towards getting him offense. With age, physical maturity, linemates and increased ice time, yes. I do think he has 50 in him. He may only do it once in his career, but I would be quite surprised if he never did it.

I won't begrudge him if he doesn't. But right now, I find it hard to argue that he doesn't have it in him.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

I HOPE he does. But expect?

Perry
Crosby
Stamkos x2
Iginla x2
Bure x2
Ovechkin x2
Cheechoo
Lecavalier
Hejduk

This has been done 12 times in about 16 years. And will probably be done even less in the next decade.
Not only that...but most of these players are extremely offensive, sniper type wingers. Monahan is not even comparable to these players in his playing style and only Stamkos, Lecavalier and Crosby on that list play his position and they are completely different types of players.

We knew that even when he was drafted. He is a wise, high hockey IQ, 2-way, top 4 C who is capable of scoring in front of the net. He has never scored more than 33 goals in the OHL.

50 goals..
Really?!?!

I hope so...but to expect that from Sean is not really fair to him or yourself imo.

13 times.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Yeah - I was way off with the numbers. In that time frame Malkin has done it and Ovie has done it 4 times - not including this season...so 5!
Not to mention Kovalchuk twice...Sakic..... and John Leclair for the Flyers.
Oh...and Heatley did it 2 times in Ottawa.

The more I think of it the less I would be surprised if Monahan achieved that.
I'm surprised no one else has corrected me yet :P

It should be

Perry
Crosby
Stamkos x2
Iginla x2
Bure x2
Ovechkin x5
Cheechoo
Lecavalier
Hejduk
Kovalchuk x2
Sakic
Heatley x2
LeClair

22 in 16 years?
Well then...I will eat my words GreenLantern! Theres a decent chance. But I still dont expect it.

[Jay Random]

I believe 40 is quite feasible for Monahan at some point in his career.

In Joe Nieuwendyk's first year, as most of us know, he set a team record for a rookie by scoring 51 goals. More than half of those goals came on the power play, many of them from standing right beside the crease and batting in deflections, lacrosse style. A lot of us wondered if he was just a one-trick pony, a power play specialist. Once the league caught on to his trick, he might never be a top scorer again.

Well, the next year he wound up being on the #2 PP unit (behind the Gilmour line), yet he scored 51 goals again. In his career, he scored 337 even-strength goals. He was far more than a one-trick pony, because he had the skills and the hockey sense to adapt his game. Right to the end of his career, he always found ways to score – 26 goals as a 39-year-old.

Monahan is another kid with tremendous hockey sense. Over time, I expect he'll develop scoring moves that we haven't even imagined yet.

[dying4acup]

Looking at the short term, next year specifically, I want to see play-maker progression.

I don't want to see kessler(0assists in 20games) I want to see Toews.

I hope for 15-18goals, 25-35assists. I also would like to see >-10 while receiving better competition and lesser zone starts.

I have seen the defensive play graduate, but I honestly expect next year to be tougher for the flames and Monahan.

PS. I don't like the nickname moneyhands. I think we can do better than that.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

Yeah - I was way off with the numbers. In that time frame Malkin has done it and Ovie has done it 4 times - not including this season...so 5!
Not to mention Kovalchuk twice...Sakic..... and John Leclair for the Flyers.
Oh...and Heatley did it 2 times in Ottawa.

The more I think of it the less I would be surprised if Monahan achieved that.
I'm surprised no one else has corrected me yet :P

It should be

Perry
Crosby
Stamkos x2
Iginla x2
Bure x2
Ovechkin x5
Cheechoo
Lecavalier
Hejduk
Kovalchuk x2
Sakic
Heatley x2
LeClair

22 in 16 years?
Well then...I will eat my words GreenLantern! Theres a decent chance. But I still dont expect it.

Don't eat your words. You are right.

The thing you have to remember is that scoring in 05-06 was way up due to high amounts of power play and its starting to drop to the "dead puck era" level at this point.

Number of goal 40 goal scorers:
05/06-11
06/07-10
11/12-4
13/14-3 (Unless someone scores 3+ in their last game).

In the next five years we could see a season where no one in the NHL scores 40 goals. Remember that the 03/04 Rocket Richard was shared by 3 guys with 41. We don't seem far off from that at this point.

Teams definitely don't need a 40 goal guy to compete for the cup in the current NHL.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by TjRhythmic

I'd be happy with a Toews-like progression.

Progression like the best young player/leader in the game ?
Yes - I'd be happy too

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I believe 40 is quite feasible for Monahan at some point in his career.

In Joe Nieuwendyk's first year, as most of us know, he set a team record for a rookie by scoring 51 goals. More than half of those goals came on the power play, many of them from standing right beside the crease and batting in deflections, lacrosse style. A lot of us wondered if he was just a one-trick pony, a power play specialist. Once the league caught on to his trick, he might never be a top scorer again.

Well, the next year he wound up being on the #2 PP unit (behind the Gilmour line), yet he scored 51 goals again. In his career, he scored 337 even-strength goals. He was far more than a one-trick pony, because he had the skills and the hockey sense to adapt his game. Right to the end of his career, he always found ways to score – 26 goals as a 39-year-old.

Monahan is another kid with tremendous hockey sense. Over time, I expect he'll develop scoring moves that we haven't even imagined yet.

I believe Monahan was a lacrosse player also?

[$ven27]

50? God no. 40 in an fluke year maybe.

[Da_Chief]

If he becomes 30+40 player every year id be ecstatic.

[Fire]

Monahan will be a 30 goal scorer with a couple of 40 goal seasons sprinkled in.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by $ven27

50? God no. 40 in an fluke year maybe.

Why not?

[strombad]

Personally, I don't know what he's shown that indicates he's capable of 50.

I'm with the group that thinks he's going to be a great 30-40 goal scorer, with MAYBE a couple seasons in the 40-45 range, but 50 is a LOT.

Then again, it really depends if he is played more on the powerplay or penalty kill and what kind of role (defensive vs. offensive) he fits into a few seasons from now. Regardless, 50 seems pretty lofty. If he comes out next year with 30+ goals, then who knows what his production could hit in 5 years.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Why not?

Because it's not 1980 man. Come on.

50 goals is a really nice achievement but with the game constantly evolving the "40 goals" is more like the new "50 goals" now.

I truly think that expecting him to pot 50 in a season before he even reaches his physical prime is really reaching. If you look at this year's totals, only a single person managed that: Ovechkin. The closest were Corey Perry and Joe Pavelski at 40's. The trailers after those two are 30's.

Can you look at the 2013-2014 scoring leaders chart and honestly tell us all that Sean will exceed all those named superstars before he's even UFA-eligible? I think it's time to temper your expectations of him, given current comparable stat sheets.

I'll stand by my original assessment of Monahan becoming a 30-goal scorer two-way playmaking centre. As the quality of Sean's linemates grows, I'd expect to see his assist totals go up, more so than his goal count.

[H2SO4(aq)]

such a bizarre polarized conversation occurring ITT.

Some claiming he may fluke a 40 goal season, others saying he should have a good shot at 50.

I think he is a little in the middle. has shown a very high scoring ability in his rookie season. I feel he will mold into a 30-40 goal guy fairly consistently with the possiblity to fluke upon a 50 goal year perhaps once a la Hejduk, etc. In all likelihood he produces low to high 30 goal years with a couple 40 goal seasons where the pp clicks, his line has great chemistry, everyone stays healthy. But it would require almost a perfect storm for him to get 50, same applies to anyone not named stamkos, ovechkin.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

It's polarizing, I think, because many are taking 50 to mean something different than each other. In the past two full seasons, only 1 player this year, and two in the previous reached 50.

If the NHL stays the way it is! Monahan reaching 50 would mean he'd have to be the best, or at least top 3 goal scorers of that season. To do it consistently, that would mean he would have to be one of the best snipers in the game year, in Crosby like elite company.

As good as many of us feel he is, that's probably tough to believe can happen, no matter how positive you want to be.

On the other side of the argument, I'm going to assume that people thinking he can hit 50 are thinking of what 50 used to mean and feel like Monahan can be an elite offensive player. This is not as hard of a thought to wrap your head around, and I think the main point these folks are trying to make is that Monahan just put up 20 plus goals in a young rookie season on a bad team, let's not try and ceiling the kid as a 2nd tier offensive talent just yet, because his rookie numbers give hope to the fact he might have top tier in him.

[herashak]

50 is ridiculous, 40 is still crazy. Monahan should be a solid 30-30 player. hes had some awesome puck luck at times this year

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by herashak

50 is ridiculous, 40 is still crazy. Monahan should be a solid 30-30 player. hes had some awesome puck luck at times this year

I agree 50 is pretty ridiculous at today's standards, I agree. But then you go and cap him out at a 60 point player. No that there is anything wrong if that's what he becomes, nothing wrong at all, but I'd say it's equally ridiculous to suggest after the first rookie season that he's had that more than that isn't possible also.

[herashak]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I agree 50 is pretty ridiculous at today's standards, I agree. But then you go and cap him out at a 60 point player. No that there is anything wrong if that's what he becomes, nothing wrong at all, but I'd say it's equally ridiculous to suggest after the first rookie season that he's had that more than that isn't possible also.

i didnt cap him at all i just said thats a safe projection of what he will become. with his defensive acumen being a 60 pt player is basically a #1C