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Old 07-25-2016, 08:04 AM   #1
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Old 07-25-2016, 08:07 AM   #2
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I still like the iggy rumour for schenn and Simmonds. Much better than what we ended up with
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Hmm Bit of a breakout season last year offensively. Interesting that he has zero goals over his last 2 trips to the playoffs (13 games).

Does he fit in between Monahan and Backlund? If so, salary appears about right.
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Hmm Bit of a breakout season last year offensively. Interesting that he has zero goals over his last 2 trips to the playoffs (13 games).

Does he fit in between Monahan and Backlund? If so, salary appears about right.
Schenn had 187 hits last season 2.3 /game Brouwer had 200 2.4 hits/game

Schenn's pts/60 is 2.62 #29 in the league. Monahan's is 2.44 for #54. Backlund 2.09 for 125th.

Schenn is a lat closer to Monahan than he is to Backlund.

He gave up 2 yeas of UFA.

Sort of breaks out like 4, 4, 6 , 6.15

If Monahan signs a 6 year deal he will be giving up 2 years of UFA.

The equivalent deal for Monahan would be 4,4,4,4,6.5, 6.5 29 for 6 years.

Pretty certain that Monahan will be getting a lot more.

Just using this to show that it is GREAT signing by the Flyers.
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Schenn had 187 hits last season 2.3 /game Brouwer had 200 2.4 hits/game

Schenn's pts/60 is 2.62 #29 in the league. Monahan's is 2.44 for #54. Backlund 2.09 for 125th.

Schenn is a lat closer to Monahan than he is to Backlund.

He gave up 2 yeas of UFA.

Sort of breaks out like 4, 4, 6 , 6.15

If Monahan signs a 6 year deal he will be giving up 2 years of UFA.

The equivalent deal for Monahan would be 4,4,4,4,6.5, 6.5 29 for 6 years.

Pretty certain that Monahan will be getting a lot more.

Just using this to show that it is GREAT signing by the Flyers.
You are comparing Schenn's most recent season as a 24 year old (when he broke out offensively) to Monahan's last season when he was 21. If you are going to base the comparison purely on points, then Monahan looks to be at a different level entirely if he continues to progress.
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You are comparing Schenn's most recent season as a 24 year old (when he broke out offensively) to Monahan's last season when he was 21. If you are going to base the comparison purely on points, then Monahan looks to be at a different level entirely if he continues to progress.
don't want to be put in a position of talking down Monahan, BUT:

1) goals by a 21 year old count exactly the same as goals by a 24 year old.

2) Monahan really did not improve season over season 62 pts to 63 pts 31 goals to 27 goals. +8 to -6.

3) It is not unusual for a player to have a career year in his third year... I was the biggest Phanuef fan.... After his 2nd and 3rd years I thought that he would be a top 3-Dman in the league for the next 10 years and thought he was the Flames franchise player.

Turned out that his career year was his 3rd year , as a 22 year old.
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don't want to be put in a position of talking down Monahan, BUT:

1) goals by a 21 year old count exactly the same as goals by a 24 year old.

2) Monahan really did not improve season over season 62 pts to 63 pts 31 goals to 27 goals. +8 to -6.

3) It is not unusual for a player to have a career year in his third year... I was the biggest Phanuef fan.... After his 2nd and 3rd years I thought that he would be a top 3-Dman in the league for the next 10 years and thought he was the Flames franchise player.

Turned out that his career year was his 3rd year , as a 22 year old.
Schenn hadn't really done that much offensively until this year. Monahan has 2 60+ point seasons 3 years after being drafted. The Phaneuf comparison isn't the greatest either. He was highly sheltered in his first 3 years where Monahan only got sheltered as a rookie. He has been matched up against top pairings for the last 2 seasons and has been able to maintain a good scoring clip.

At the end of the day of the Flames only buy 2 UFA years off Monahan I would want the dollars to be at most $6M per. If they can get 8 years then they can go higher on the AAV and buy 4 UFA years
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Why not compare Schenn's first 3 years to Monahan's first 3?
And you are assuming Schenn's offensive numbers from last year are now his "normal', ignoring his other seasons even though admittedly other players have career type seasons when younger.
I think you are seriously underrating Monahan's youth and consistency. Schenn is a nice player for sure with one very good offensive season.
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don't want to be put in a position of talking down Monahan, BUT:

1) goals by a 21 year old count exactly the same as goals by a 24 year old.

2) Monahan really did not improve season over season 62 pts to 63 pts 31 goals to 27 goals. +8 to -6.

3) It is not unusual for a player to have a career year in his third year... I was the biggest Phanuef fan.... After his 2nd and 3rd years I thought that he would be a top 3-Dman in the league for the next 10 years and thought he was the Flames franchise player.

Turned out that his career year was his 3rd year , as a 22 year old.
We should be all over Monahan for Schenn...

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Schenn had 187 hits last season 2.3 /game Brouwer had 200 2.4 hits/game

Schenn's pts/60 is 2.62 #29 in the league. Monahan's is 2.44 for #54. Backlund 2.09 for 125th.

Schenn is a lat closer to Monahan than he is to Backlund.

He gave up 2 yeas of UFA.

Sort of breaks out like 4, 4, 6 , 6.15

If Monahan signs a 6 year deal he will be giving up 2 years of UFA.

The equivalent deal for Monahan would be 4,4,4,4,6.5, 6.5 29 for 6 years.

Pretty certain that Monahan will be getting a lot more.

Just using this to show that it is GREAT signing by the Flyers.
Schenn played with Giroux and Simmonds. And when on the PP with Giroux, Simmonds and Voracek. Usually he was the least effective of his linemates (not to say he was bad, but he was the third wheel). This contributed to a career year as a 24 year old, significantly outproducing his previous years.

Schenn is 24, has 354 games played and 84 goals.

Monahan is 21, has 237 games played and 80 goals.

These aren't comparable players at this stage in their careers. At all.
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...goals by a 21 year old count exactly the same as goals by a 24 year old...
True, but would you not agree that the value of a 21-year-old player's scoring at the same rate is higher than the 24-year-old, since there is a potential trajectory that suggests he will be a more productive player for a longer period of time?



As usual, this post of yours is fairly devoid of context, and depends squarely upon numbers with no consideration for mitigating factors.
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...what?

Can someone please explain to me why we are comparing Monahan and Schenn?
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...what?

Can someone please explain to me why we are comparing Monahan and Schenn?
ricardodw.

No one is making a serious comparison, but his insistence on numbers in a vacuum has raised the issue.
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True, but would you not agree that the value of a 21-year-old players scoring at the same rate is higher than the 24-year-old, since there is a potential trajectory that suggests he will be a more productive player for a longer period of time?

As usual, this post of yours is fairly devoid of context, and depends water squarely upon numbers with no consideration for mitigating factors.
Yep maybe we should trade Monahan for Jagr.
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...what?

Can someone please explain to me why we are comparing Monahan and Schenn?
Schenn is a RFA #1C who just signed a contract.

Monahan is a RFA #1C who hasn't yet signed a contract.

There is enough difference between them that Schenn is not an exact comparable, but they have enough in common that they are somewhat comparable.

Scheifele and Barkov are other RFA's that have just signed .... If this Thread was on their signings I would expect that there would be comments and comparisons between them and Monahan....

After all this is a Flames forum and if a thread is not relevant to the Flames in some manner it probably should not be posted.
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