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FBI · 07-03-2015, 10:21 AM

Mentioned in a bunch of threads, we have too many players now (especially forwards), something has to give.
NHL ready forwards:
Gaudreau, monahan, hudler
Bennett, backlund, frolik
Bouma, Colborne, jones
Ferland, stajan, jooris
Raymond, shore, Bollig
Granlund, Byron

This doesn't even count for who might make a push like poirier,Arnold,agastino,wolf.

So who do you think gets traded this summer?
I would love to see Raymond, hiller, jones traded but I think that might be wishful thinking.

If we don't trade any of these guys, there will be a ton of pissed off players. Competition is good, but not 5 NHL ready guys for one spot.

Ozy_Flame · 07-03-2015, 10:25 AM

I suspect Raymond will be waived as no one will want to take him at two more years / $3 million per. My guess is he's put in Stockton if no one claims him, to mentor some of the new talent coming in.

I doubt Hiller is tradeable either, but since Treliving has magical wizard powers, I'm probably wrong.

sureLoss · 07-03-2015, 10:26 AM

IMO no one will get traded until after training camp.

GranteedEV · 07-03-2015, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I suspect Raymond will be waived as no one will want to take him at two more years / $3 million per.

Retain 25% of that and he's down to 2.25m/2y
Retain 35% of that and he's down to 1.95m/2y
Retain 50% of that he's down to 1.5m/2y

Mattman · 07-03-2015, 10:44 AM

Bolded names mean that it's best we keep that player for the success of this team

Gaudreau/Monahan/Hudler
Bennett/Backlund/Frolik
Bouma/Colbourne/Jones
Ferland/Stajan/Jooris
Raymond/Granlund/Bollig
Byron/Shore

Also just because they are bolded doesn't mean they are untouchable (other than the obvious few) they could be traded mid season or by the trade deadline. It just means those players SHOULD be on the roster when we start the season.

But in my opinion two of
Colbourne, Raymond, Jooris, Granlund, Byron, Shore
have to go. It's good to have depth in LW and C but at some point it does become a log jam for rookies coming up.

Bollig does Bollig things I don't like him but I don't hate him.

kyuss275 · 07-03-2015, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

IMO no one will get traded until after training camp.

I agree. Even then i can see some high money sitting in the press box. If they trade anybody it will probably be Bollig. I'm not convinced there is a market for Hiller, and i highly doubt there is a market for Raymond.

Finger Cookin · 07-03-2015, 11:02 AM

From what I've been reading on CP lately, it seems Hudler, Giordano, and Hiller are on the way out.

GranteedEV · 07-03-2015, 11:07 AM

Bollig/Raymond are no-brainers. Negative value players if someone's not setting them up for goals.
Hiller is a strong candidate (better him than lose Ortio to waiver-wire)

That should be fine. Wolf should clear waivers and be the first bottom 6 winger callup as soon as there's an injury and Granlund can play in the AHL regardless and be the first top 9 forward callup.

spuzzum · 07-03-2015, 11:10 AM

I doubt the Flames will eat any contracts (buy-out) at least for this season. We have no cap issues moving forward.

It'd be nice if we could flip a Raymond, Byron, Shore, Wolf, or Colbourne for another natural RW.

EldrickOnIce · 07-03-2015, 11:14 AM

Colborne was definitely one of the Flames best forwards in the series against the Ducks.
He bleeds Flames and is a great guy in the community.
I doubt he is going anywhere.

Gaskal · 07-03-2015, 11:24 AM

Poirier probably replaces Hudler by end of the season.
Granlund is still waiver exempt and will likely start in the AHL next season.

Out of the remaining forwards, two of Raymond, Shore, Bollig, Byron would stick as the last two forwards. If everyone else is 100% healthy by the end of training camp (doubt it) then we will likely see some trades.

flambers · 07-03-2015, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by FBI

Mentioned in a bunch of threads, we have too many players now (especially forwards), something has to give.
NHL ready forwards:
Gaudreau, monahan, hudler
Bennett, backlund, frolik
Bouma, Colborne, jones
Ferland, stajan, jooris
Raymond, shore, Bollig
Granlund, Byron

This doesn't even count for who might make a push like poirier,Arnold,agastino,wolf.

So who do you think gets traded this summer?
I would love to see Raymond, hiller, jones traded but I think that might be wishful thinking.

If we don't trade any of these guys, there will be a ton of pissed off players. Competition is good, but not 5 NHL ready guys for one spot.

I believe one more forward should be added to that list

NHL ready forwards:

Gaudreau, Monahan, Hudler
Ferland, Bennett, Frolik
Bouma, backlund, jones
Colborne, stajan, jooris
Raymond, shore, Bollig
Granlund, Byron Grant

I would think the Flames GM will be looking to make a trade this summer.

Raymond is the player that does not seem to fit. Not sure if they will be able to move him

HUSKER4FLAMES · 07-03-2015, 11:36 AM

Of these 17 or 18 players, how many can be sent down? How many are risked with waivers? having a couple players on the farm is fine but putting two or three of these through waivers will be tough. Don't want to lose valuable assets for nothing.

Psytic · 07-03-2015, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaskal

Poirier probably replaces Hudler by end of the season.
Granlund is still waiver exempt and will likely start in the AHL next season.

Out of the remaining forwards, two of Raymond, Shore, Bollig, Byron would stick as the last two forwards. If everyone else is 100% healthy by the end of training camp (doubt it) then we will likely see some trades.

I would be very surprised if he developed that quickly to replace Hudler who put up very close to 1 pt per game. I think that's being really optimistic.

flambers · 07-03-2015, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by HUSKER4FLAMES

Of these 17 or 18 players, how many can be sent down? How many are risked with waivers? having a couple players on the farm is fine but putting two or three of these through waivers will be tough. Don't want to lose valuable assets for nothing.

A person would have to figure the Flames at most will carry 14 forwards, 7 dman and 2 goalies.

12 forwards
Gaudreau, Monahan, Hudler
Ferland, Bennett, Frolik
Bouma, backlund, jones
Colborne, stajan, jooris

Two of the following would make the team imo
Raymond, shore, Bollig
Granlund, Byron Grant

Not sure if Granlund can be waived, but I assume the remaining would need to be waived.

Gaskal · 07-03-2015, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Psytic

I would be very surprised if he developed that quickly to replace Hudler who put up very close to 1 pt per game. I think that's being really optimistic.

Yeah, I suppose Frolik would probably move up so Poirier plays some easier minutes. As for Hudler I can't see him and Flames coming to terms with an extension so I'm assuming he's gone after the season regardless.

Alberta_Beef · 07-03-2015, 11:51 AM

Jooris & Granlund will be waiver exempt

HUSKER4FLAMES · 07-03-2015, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by flambers

A person would have to figure the Flames at most will carry 14 forwards, 7 dman and 2 goalies.

12 forwards
Gaudreau, Monahan, Hudler
Ferland, Bennett, Frolik
Bouma, backlund, jones
Colborne, stajan, jooris

Two of the following would make the team imo
Raymond, shore, Bollig
Granlund, Byron Grant

Not sure if Granlund can be waived, but I assume the remaining would need to be waived.

Losing Shore or Granlund for nothing would not be good asset management.

Justin · 07-03-2015, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Colborne was definitely one of the Flames best forwards in the series against the Ducks.
He bleeds Flames and is a great guy in the community.
I doubt he is going anywhere.

My thoughts exactly.

When I initially read that people wanted Colborne traded, i thought I was alone in thinking "Am I missing something here?".

Colborne is a big mobile body that plays with heart. He's not going anywhere unless the deal is dream come true for Treliving and co.

gonzo29 · 07-03-2015, 11:56 AM

The team doesn't really need to get rid of any players for the purposes of fitting under the cap for the upcoming season. They do need to start making room for some of the young guys, although I think most of our young top prospects (Poirier, Klimchuk, Wotherspoon, Morrison, maybe even Granlund) will spend the year developing in Stockton.

Things get really interesting in 2016/17 though. With big raises needed for Monahan, Gaudreau, Giordano, and possibly Hudler, it's going to be vital to get rid of the contracts of guys like Raymond, Smid and Bollig for sure, and possibly Engelland and Stajan. I would prefer to keep Engelland and Stajan but spending 6 million on a #6 defenseman and a 4th line center will probably be a luxury the team can't afford at that point in time.

The problem is, who is going to take these guys? If Engelland continues his decent play from the latter part of last season, there could be a market for him for a single season at a shade under 3 million. Stajan will have 2 years left @ 3.125, which is pretty unattractive for what he brings on the ice. Raymond will need to have a bounce back year in order to salvage some trade value, but personally I don't think he has it in him. Smid is a giant question mark with his injury concerns. Bollig @ 1.25 is possibly moveable but that's obviously not a big anchor if he stays. there's also the option of putting him in the minors, if need be, which takes care of about 3/4 of his cap hit.

I don't see many of these guys being traded with no salary coming back, so you have to wonder if we'll see buyouts next offseason or trades with some salary retained. Going to be tough for Brad but I'm sure this is stuff that he has planned for for quite some time.