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Flash Walken · 03-08-2014, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

His game is much better suited to the wing, been saying it since he arrived. He isn't good enough to be an NHL centre but glad to see Hartley moved him to the wing. I like his big body presence as a winger much more.

With his hands and size he's been fantastic in front/to the side of the net like on the goal he scored last night.

Doesn't have to hustle back up the ice and can afford to linger more in the corners/around the net.

Totally agree, he's a winger in the NHL.

Flash Walken · 03-08-2014, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I think Backlund is already a 2C

Backlund is a great #3 C. Just doesn't provide enough offense to be a legitimate second line centre.

I don't want to sound like i'm pooping on him, just that, I think when you say things like second line C is raises expectations unreasonably.

3rd line centres are important, if Backlund turns into a more offensive Pahlsson or Malholtra, that's a key building block for Calgary going forward, especially as one of the older 'young guys' on the team. He's got the experience to play more responsible minutes, which the other guys just don't have yet.

I think the more experience he gets, the better he will continue to get. I don't think the offense will ever be there, but he's been a great player for Calgary this year. His offensive contributes are secondary to his net positive impact at the centre ice position in matchups.

MrMastodonFarm · 03-08-2014, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I think Backlund is already a 2C

He probably is on a bad team but on a true contender Backlund slots into the third line spot, capable of putting up a good amount of points but more importantly providing an elite two-way game. On a 2nd line I'm sure he could get 40-45 points but on a contending team you'd want a guy capable of more.

Really pulling some Sam Bennett in the draft this year. Monahan, Bennett and Backlund really sets the Flames up long term for maybe the most important position in today's NHL.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 03-08-2014, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Backlund is a great #3 C. Just doesn't provide enough offense to be a legitimate second line centre.

I don't want to sound like i'm pooping on him, just that, I think when you say things like second line C is raises expectations unreasonably.

3rd line centres are important, if Backlund turns into a more offensive Pahlsson or Malholtra, that's a key building block for Calgary going forward, especially as one of the older 'young guys' on the team. He's got the experience to play more responsible minutes, which the other guys just don't have yet.

I think the more experience he gets, the better he will continue to get. I don't think the offense will ever be there, but he's been a great player for Calgary this year. His offensive contributes are secondary to his net positive impact at the centre ice position in matchups.

I think Backlunds biggest issue when it comes to offence is that his shot sucks. So many times he'll do something amazing, then the shot is such a let down. Not crapping on him either, but that's what hold his offence back I believe.

Husky · 03-08-2014, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I think Backlunds biggest issue when it comes to offence is that his shot sucks. So many times he'll do something amazing, then the shot is such a let down. Not crapping on him either, but that's what hold his offence back I believe.

I don't agree. For me its the opposite. His wrist shot is heavy and accurate. If anything his issue is he doesn't shoot enough.

Gaskal · 03-08-2014, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Husky

I don't agree. For me its the opposite. His wrist shot is heavy and accurate. If anything his issue is he doesn't shoot enough.

I've noticed this, he's like Tanguay in the sense that he has a shot like a sniper's, but wants to dish it off to Iggy (wingers).

Street Pharmacist · 03-08-2014, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

He probably is on a bad team but on a true contender Backlund slots into the third line spot, capable of putting up a good amount of points but more importantly providing an elite two-way game. On a 2nd line I'm sure he could get 40-45 points but on a contending team you'd want a guy capable of more.

Really pulling some Sam Bennett in the draft this year. Monahan, Bennett and Backlund really sets the Flames up long term for maybe the most important position in today's NHL.

I disagree about Backlund. Give him 2nd line wingers and he puts up good points IMO.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 03-08-2014, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Husky

I don't agree. For me its the opposite. His wrist shot is heavy and accurate. If anything his issue is he doesn't shoot enough.

I can't remember the last time Backlund scored with a sniped shot........ Maybe I'm wrong, but I have zero recollection of this.

BACKCHECK!!! · 03-08-2014, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Husky

I don't agree. For me its the opposite. His wrist shot is heavy and accurate. If anything his issue is he doesn't shoot enough.

For sure. Might be a problem with his release, or his decisions as to when to shoot, but when he does shoot he SHOOTS.

BACKCHECK!!! · 03-08-2014, 01:41 PM

Oh yeah, and Jod Colborne is about as good as I'd hoped he'd be.

FlameZilla · 03-08-2014, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

He probably is on a bad team but on a true contender Backlund slots into the third line spot, capable of putting up a good amount of points but more importantly providing an elite two-way game. On a 2nd line I'm sure he could get 40-45 points but on a contending team you'd want a guy capable of more.

Really pulling some Sam Bennett in the draft this year. Monahan, Bennett and Backlund really sets the Flames up long term for maybe the most important position in today's NHL.

It seems like a solid move to draft as many centres as possible... Centres seem to have a much easier time converting to the wing than vice versa. Colborne is transitioning well to the wing, though I do hope he keeps getting experience as a centreman on occasion.

It's funny that Cammy & Hudler are still often listed as centres on various websites (including the NHL) despite having played mainly on the wing for years. Cammy, Hudler, Colborne, Stajan, Backlund, Monahan, Reinhart, Granlund & Knight are all listed as centres on the current roster... It doesn't seem like it was that long ago that we struggled for years to find a centre to play with Iginla, now we're sort of spoilt for choice.

The Fonz · 03-09-2014, 12:19 PM

Anyone know the conditions on the Flames pick in this trade?

Moves from a 4th to a 3rd if...
- Colborne scores 10 goals, OR
- Colborne scores 30 points?

Current pace: 9G - 17A - 26PTS

That 3rd would be around 65th overall. Joe needs to calm his tits down the stretch here...

the2bears · 03-09-2014, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Fonz

Anyone know the conditions on the Flames pick in this trade?

Moves from a 4th to a 3rd if...
- Colborne scores 10 goals, OR
- Colborne scores 30 points?

Current pace: 9G - 17A - 26PTS

That 3rd would be around 65th overall. Joe needs to calm his tits down the stretch here...

Flames also need to make the play-offs. The 3rd is safe.

AC · 03-09-2014, 12:23 PM

Its already been answered a couple of times in this thread, but:

Its "if Colborne scores 10 goals or 35 points in the 2013-14 regular season and Calgary qualifies for the 2014 Stanley Cup Playoffs."

MrMastodonFarm · 03-09-2014, 12:23 PM

The Flames have to also make the playoffs for the pick to move from the 4th round to the 3rd round. Nothing to worry our titties about.

The Fonz · 03-09-2014, 12:24 PM

Praise Jesus

puds · 03-09-2014, 12:44 PM

What do you guys think Colbornes upside is?

MrMastodonFarm · 03-09-2014, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by puds

What do you guys think Colbornes upside is?

Third line, two-way winger. Capable of providing offense in spurts but that's all. If developed right look to how Rob Niedermayer became a similar player after Darryl Sutter moved him from the middle to left wing here in Calgary. Niedermayer was never very physical but could use his big body for board work, good positional play and speed was very effective when shifting to that role.

AC · 03-09-2014, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Third line, two-way winger. Capable of providing offense in spurts but that's all. If developed right look to how Rob Niedermayer became a similar player after Darryl Sutter moved him from the middle to left wing here in Calgary. Niedermayer was never very physical but could use his big body for board work, good positional play and speed was very effective when shifting to that role.

Pretty much.

Also he's obviously a shootout specialist (pretty vital now despite my dislike of the shootout in general), and maybe an important feature for a PP as he appears to have good hand-eye and has the size to stand in front of the net.

Gaskal · 03-15-2014, 09:39 AM

Colborne really starting to grow into his game, a good power winger. Was on the ice for all 3 regulation time Flames goals last night. Cammalleri's goals were a result of Colborne winning a puck battle strongly along the boards and then feeding it to a teammate.

He needs to raise the puck on that shootout deke though. Stretched out pad is the only thing that can stop it if the goalie bites for the fake and if he gets a hoist that's a goal.